I’ve been hearing quite a bit pro-murder sentiment coming from the left lately so I’m not sure what the issue here is.
EDIT: No amount of mental gymnastics changes the fact that Luigi is a murderer and if you think the CEO deserved to die for being “murderer” himself then so does Luigi.
The vast majority of people celebrating the death of the United Healthcare CEO would have been perfectly happy with him being stripped of power and imprisoned, but that wasn’t ever an option so the only thing available is death. There’s also some evidence that his death has actually made a difference, in the form of other health insurance companies chickening out of unethical policy changes.
In the case of these prisoners, they’re already safely behind bars. It’s also, broadly speaking, much more likely that they aren’t guilty of what they’ve been convicted of (although I don’t know anything about these particular cases). We also have evidence that the death penalty doesn’t have the effect on crime rates which proponents claim it does, so it’s different in a whole bunch of ways
One is either for death penalty or against it. Being for it in the case of CEO’s but against it when it comes to convicted criminals is called hypocrisy.
Every single step that Luigi took, right before shooting the ceo, was legal. Everything the CEO and his company did to their customers is legal.
I’m all for changing the legal system in any way that would make it harder for unwell people to get guns or insurance CEOs to stop murdering and maming their subscribers through denials. We don’t have the political will to change any of that so excusing me for not shedding tears over this CEO’s death.
There was a literal mass shooting at a school the same day. I feel way worse for those kids.
Being against the death penalty and bemused at conservative political consequences is not hypocrisy. Maybe stop being angry at “the left” for not shedding tears and instead propose any change that would have prevented this.
Your view is that the left is celebrating this and for some reason youre completely ignoring that this is in no way a left/right split.
Go over to truth social, you can donate to Luigi’s cause there, too.
Frankly, anyone who turns a class war into left/right bullshit isn’t worth chatting with. Too far gone. So frankly if someone has misrepresented your view – good? Your overall take here is upside down and from there I dont think anyone is gonna take you seriously.
The right as a whole tends to be much more accepting towards the death penalty. There’s no hypocricy for me to criticise there. This is exactly what I’d expect from them.
Secondly, there are effectively no right wingers on Lemmy so criticising them here serves no purpose other than to fish for upvotes.
The left however is against death penalty in general but accepting of it when directed at people they don’t like. That is being a hypocrite and that is what I’m criticising. Praising Luigi on Lemmy gets you nothing but upvotes.
There is a stark difference between killing a mass murderer when there is no legal recourse and allowing the state to execute a prisoner who could just as easily be kept imprisoned for life.
I disagree. It’s perfectly possible to hold an internally consistent view that it’s wrong to execute a prisoner, both because there’s no reason to do so (the prisoner already being imprisoned) and because courts get the decision wrong too often (and/or because the courts aren’t trustworthy), while also believing that it’s acceptable to kill under other circumstances
Sure, it’s acceptable to kill when you’re defending yourself or your country but shooting a man on the street is a whole different case and who ever celebrates this kind of vigilante murder has no moral ground to stand on from which to criticise the death penalty.
That man on the street and his like have murdered plenty of people and will continue to do so until they are stopped. It has fuck-all to do with state executions.
The class war is literally war, and only one side has been taking all the casualties. It’s about time people fight back. The moment we can lock these people up for their crimes against humanity I will be against killing them.
“free opinions”… I guess you get what you pay for…
Anyway, it’s not hypocrisy because you’re comparing apples to ai generated articles. He was the CEO of a company responsible for denying billions of dollars worth of life saving medicine. Comparing that to one murder is silly. Saying they both deserve the same punishment is silly.
I’ve been hearing quite a bit pro-murder sentiment coming from the left lately so I’m not sure what the issue here is.
EDIT: No amount of mental gymnastics changes the fact that Luigi is a murderer and if you think the CEO deserved to die for being “murderer” himself then so does Luigi.
The vast majority of people celebrating the death of the United Healthcare CEO would have been perfectly happy with him being stripped of power and imprisoned, but that wasn’t ever an option so the only thing available is death. There’s also some evidence that his death has actually made a difference, in the form of other health insurance companies chickening out of unethical policy changes.
In the case of these prisoners, they’re already safely behind bars. It’s also, broadly speaking, much more likely that they aren’t guilty of what they’ve been convicted of (although I don’t know anything about these particular cases). We also have evidence that the death penalty doesn’t have the effect on crime rates which proponents claim it does, so it’s different in a whole bunch of ways
One is either for death penalty or against it. Being for it in the case of CEO’s but against it when it comes to convicted criminals is called hypocrisy.
You are confusing hypocrisy and nuance.
Every single step that Luigi took, right before shooting the ceo, was legal. Everything the CEO and his company did to their customers is legal.
I’m all for changing the legal system in any way that would make it harder for unwell people to get guns or insurance CEOs to stop murdering and maming their subscribers through denials. We don’t have the political will to change any of that so excusing me for not shedding tears over this CEO’s death.
There was a literal mass shooting at a school the same day. I feel way worse for those kids.
Being against the death penalty and bemused at conservative political consequences is not hypocrisy. Maybe stop being angry at “the left” for not shedding tears and instead propose any change that would have prevented this.
They don’t know anything about “the left” any more than they know what hypocrisy is.
You’re not representing my view honestly.
I’m not criticising the left for “not shedding a tear.” I’m criticising them for celebrating a murderer.
Your view is that the left is celebrating this and for some reason youre completely ignoring that this is in no way a left/right split.
Go over to truth social, you can donate to Luigi’s cause there, too.
Frankly, anyone who turns a class war into left/right bullshit isn’t worth chatting with. Too far gone. So frankly if someone has misrepresented your view – good? Your overall take here is upside down and from there I dont think anyone is gonna take you seriously.
The right as a whole tends to be much more accepting towards the death penalty. There’s no hypocricy for me to criticise there. This is exactly what I’d expect from them.
Secondly, there are effectively no right wingers on Lemmy so criticising them here serves no purpose other than to fish for upvotes.
The left however is against death penalty in general but accepting of it when directed at people they don’t like. That is being a hypocrite and that is what I’m criticising. Praising Luigi on Lemmy gets you nothing but upvotes.
I’m not reading your comment because it started with “the right.”
Imma block ya know. Have a nice Christmas.
“La la la can’t hear you”
How convenient.
There is a stark difference between killing a mass murderer when there is no legal recourse and allowing the state to execute a prisoner who could just as easily be kept imprisoned for life.
I disagree. It’s perfectly possible to hold an internally consistent view that it’s wrong to execute a prisoner, both because there’s no reason to do so (the prisoner already being imprisoned) and because courts get the decision wrong too often (and/or because the courts aren’t trustworthy), while also believing that it’s acceptable to kill under other circumstances
Sure, it’s acceptable to kill when you’re defending yourself or your country but shooting a man on the street is a whole different case and who ever celebrates this kind of vigilante murder has no moral ground to stand on from which to criticise the death penalty.
That man on the street and his like have murdered plenty of people and will continue to do so until they are stopped. It has fuck-all to do with state executions.
The class war is literally war, and only one side has been taking all the casualties. It’s about time people fight back. The moment we can lock these people up for their crimes against humanity I will be against killing them.
If hypocrisy is what it takes to keep literal evil the fuck outta here. Small price to pay
“free opinions”… I guess you get what you pay for…
Anyway, it’s not hypocrisy because you’re comparing apples to ai generated articles. He was the CEO of a company responsible for denying billions of dollars worth of life saving medicine. Comparing that to one murder is silly. Saying they both deserve the same punishment is silly.
Luigi didn’t murder anyone. Luigi committed an act of self defense/ community defense against a mass murderer.
Those that make peaceful progress impossible, also make violent resistance inevitable.
Doesn’t seem to me like the support is coming only from the left.