• Pazu900@lemmy.world
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    The fire service is incredibly right wing, the IAFF didn’t back Kamala because trump supporting firefighters would have an aneurysm if they did despite it being in their best interests. She’s pro union and Trump is anti union. It’s a no brainer that a union should support her.

    I’m a firefighter. Basically everybody I work with is a rabid trump supporter. They’re extremely opinionated but are completely ignorant on basic politics. For instance we were talking about Ukraine, they were saying Trump would end the war immediately. I said yes by withholding support so Ukraine is forced to make concessions to Russia, which is what Trump has stated he’ll do. I shit you not one of them said “No I think Trump will just go up to Putin and say ‘You have to stop this or we’re gonna fuck you up’ and Putin will listen because he knows Trump means business.” I used to think it was difference of opinion but they truly are just completely uninformed, the shit they say makes no logical sense.

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      “No I think Trump will just go up to Putin and say ‘You have to stop this or we’re gonna fuck you up’ and Putin will listen because he knows Trump means business.”

      That’s the real secret behind the GOP’s success. They don’t try to be a functional political party, because they don’t need to be one to win election.

      The Republicans have turned their party into a branding to be adopted as an affirmation of masculinity. No one’s listening to Trump and thinking “that makes sense”, because they’re not listening to Trump at all. All they care about is the idea of Trump as this man’s man.

      It’s not that they look at him and think “This is the champion of the people.” and start photoshopping him into Rocky Balboa. You’ve got cause and effect backwards. You see a bunch of Trump people hyping him up as being this hypermasculine hypervirile man of God and Country, and they go “Oh shit! That’s my guy!”, and start projecting what they want Trump to be onto him.

      This is why they don’t vote for Democrats. Democrats don’t do this sort of thing, they just stick to the issues not realizing that’s not the game anymore.

      It’s easy for them to believe the claims of “Sleepy Joe”, because where’s the Biden tent selling t-shirts of him wrestling a bear? Why is Tampon Tim being a giant pussy and using big words like “bi-partisanship” and “finance”, instead of showboating and talking about how big his dick is? Clearly the Democrats are “just politicians”

      But Americans aren’t looking for leadership. They’ve accepted their lot in life is shit, they don’t wanna hear about policies, they don’t dream of a better tomorrow; They simple want to live the fantasy of having a President who’s a real “man’s man”, the daydream of this guy who men want to be and women want to be with, the real life John Galt who’s also the second coming of John Wayne.

      It’s why Romney was the “out of touch rich guy”, and Trump wasn’t. Romney didn’t go around mugging for the camera and insulting his foes.

      Americans are dumb and are outright hostile to intelligence, empathy, and class… or as they’d put it “nerd shit”, “being a pussy”, and “snobbishness”

      Source: I’m American and am used to being the smartest person in the room. That’s not a brag about how smart I am, never let it be said that I think I’m smart. I know I’m a fucking dumbass, my own stupidity couldn’t be anymore obvious to me. It’s simply recognition that my life would be vastly different (for the better) if I lived in Europe instead of America.

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        Americans aren’t looking for leadership. They’ve accepted their lot in life is shit, they don’t wanna hear about policies, they don’t dream of a better tomorrow; They simple want to live the fantasy of having a President who’s a real “man’s man”, the daydream of this guy who men want to be and women want to be with.

        Truer words have never been spoken on Lemmy

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          they don’t wanna hear about policies

          What “policies” do you speak of? Centrist Biden/Kamala didnt figure out a platform till the election was mostly over. Thats a fact.

          Also, running as republican light will always lose you an election. They need to actually stand for something. This isnt an episode of the Kardashians and which personality we hate the most, its supposed to be leadership.

          Also, centrists dont have the numbers to win anything without progressive support. When will centrists get that through their thick skulls. If they want to whine and gnash their teeth, please go ahead, pound your hands on the floor and cry for all I care, but for the love of god stop pretending you arent in a coalition. Centrists dont have the numbers to imperiously order people around. If centrists want to win they need to unite and listen to their partners. Or they can choose to lose, continue to bleed support and look like clowns.

          and for the love of god, stop trying to get repubican votes. Its never going to happen and its not worth alienating your base. Its just so dumb.

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      It’s choosing to hope the reality that you see in your head will match the one before their eyes, it’s the same thing that always happens with right wing populist movements.

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      For instance we were talking about Ukraine, they were saying Trump would end the war immediately. I said yes by withholding support so Ukraine is forced to make concessions to Russia

      If Pete Hegseth is any indication, your both wrong. He seems happy to go to war with everyone.

      Past that, Trump’s “secret plan to end the war” sounds a bit like Nixon’s pledge in '68. Or Obama’s promise to leave Iraq in '08, for that matter. Either way, I wouldn’t hold your breath.

      I used to think it was difference of opinion but they truly are just completely uninformed

      Garbage in, garbage out. The US media is so thick with propaganda, all any of us can do is choke on it. No such thing as an informed opinion when news media is just Op-Eds on the one end and Ads on the other.

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        The US media is so thick with propaganda, all any of us can do is choke on it. No such thing as an informed opinion when news media is just Op-Eds on the one end and Ads on the other.

        that’s exactly what the worst ones want you to think. as soon as you resign yourself to the idea that one truth is as good as another you’ll believe any old bullshit.

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          as soon as you resign yourself to the idea that one truth is as good as another

          That’s not what I’m saying at all.

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            okay. as soon as you resign yourself to the exact ideas as you wrote them in your original post, you’ll believe any old bullshit.