and your bike stuff - oh well no they don’t have bikes at the facilities that was all bunk lol
you simply aren’t credible mate. I’ve never posited that they require a power plant. But they do require power, and it’s not exactly insignificant for any facility holding more than a few dewars.
RE: Thermodynamics, your original statement said that they didn’t require cooling or input - and that’s false. Sure you can get liquid nitrogen delivered from offsite - but what did it take to make it, transport it, and pump it around? Offsite doesn’t mean it’s free. It’s gotta be condensed somewhere. Pressure swing adsorption isn’t free. You can’t put out a bucket and wait for nitrogen to condense. You simply moved the requirement from ‘gotta make it’ to ‘gotta pay someone to make it and deliver it’. Which actually makes it’s impact larger. Creating it, moving it around, pumping it - all require - what’s that?
POWER.
Such a silly silly ‘debate’. So petty and insulting, while certain you’re an expert because…? lmgtf eyeballs and pemdas didn’t do you much good here.
Your reply is not sarcastic so I’ll reply not sarcastically.
Watts are a unit of power, energy per time, so the answer is 100 Joules per second. 100W would be required indefinitely.
Max More of Alcor had a video stating they did but it was years ago. So not bunk.
I am credible. I might also be credulous lol.
My original statement claimed they do not use electricity to cool onsite, the original article states that patients could unfreeze randomly, it hasn’t happened in modern times because they have massive tanks of liquid nitrogen delivered. That’s not flaky like electricity. Then I followed up with an analysis of how it’s delivered off-site. Then you have a large paragraph about thermodynamics which is a strawman, as that has nothing to do with what is being argued here.
Power, is a unit of energy over time. By storing liquid nitrogen they require no power. The energy has been stored. Thus they are able to ride out fluctuations in the power grid. It’s like a battery. They do not require electricity, at least within normal ranges of power fluctuations over decades. Interpreting that as “checkmate you said entropy is reversed!” is a strawman.
I literally only replied with the tone you started with, sorry if you found it offensive (I didn’t, literally just mirroring your tone as I thought it might be familiar to you).
Continue reading about the topic if you are interested. As 99% of people downvoted similarly I’m going to guess literacy in this area is generally non-existent, that makes you not alone here. Thanks for at least engaging.
that’s got to be at least per dewar / container. you’re not going to keep an entire facility going on 100w.
by storing liquid nitrogen they require no power.
bullshit. there’s going to be boiling even in a vacuum dewar; hell the moment you first fill it that load of cold liquid has to bring down the wall temps, causing some of it to boil.
it will have to be replaced eventually. and you’re entirely ignoring the fact that the nitrogen delivery is an tremendous cost in power, it’s simply occurring off site so you’re not counting it? pfft
so neither of us is a subject matter expert, but I’m not trying to sell you some kind of pie-in-the-sky ‘just top off the nitrogen and it’ll be fine’ line of bullshit.
as 99% of the people downvoted, perhaps maybe, just maybe, the way you’re expressing your views isn’t being read the way you’re intending. now, not saying you’re wrong, but perhaps with those kinds of numbers you’d be better off looking at what you wrote and revising that instead of silly stories about bicycle power and mythical efficiency.
and still, even if the nitrogen is delivered, internalize it does cost to be made. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.
Even liquid nitrogen in a vacuum dewar will boil off a minute amount, which over time has to be replaced by new liquid nitrogen, which isn’t FREE TO MAKE.
you’re so fucking wrong and so oblivious I don’t see any point in continuing the dialogue. good day.
100w per person, as previously stated. Actually this is one of those “yes you’re all wrong” cases but again you’re engaging so that’s better than everyone else.
Remember what we’re arguing to begin, this went off the rails. The article implies that Cryonics facilities frequently unfreeze bodies when it was only the first ones decades ago. That is not true in modern times because the facilities can and do function with no electricity on site for long periods of time. Plus maintenance is relatively cheap because dewars use so little liquid nitrogen.
Yes of course they use small amounts of energy, power, and electricity in the supply chain off site, and money (it’s overall very expensive). Shouldn’t be necessary to make that point. Anyways, they can function for weeks or months with absolutely no intervention and the bodies do not unfreeze anymore, or it’s really unlikely. That’s the main point I’m trying to make.
sure thing bike powered cryoguy lol
Still don’t understand your point, if any
this is obvious. you just do not get it, at all. still waiting to see that bike.
The liquid nitrogen requirements in a dewar would be about 100W per person, which is within range of a human bike generator.
https://cryonics.org/members/cryostats-for-cryogenic-storage/
per what? hour, day, week?
and your bike stuff - oh well no they don’t have bikes at the facilities that was all bunk lol
you simply aren’t credible mate. I’ve never posited that they require a power plant. But they do require power, and it’s not exactly insignificant for any facility holding more than a few dewars.
RE: Thermodynamics, your original statement said that they didn’t require cooling or input - and that’s false. Sure you can get liquid nitrogen delivered from offsite - but what did it take to make it, transport it, and pump it around? Offsite doesn’t mean it’s free. It’s gotta be condensed somewhere. Pressure swing adsorption isn’t free. You can’t put out a bucket and wait for nitrogen to condense. You simply moved the requirement from ‘gotta make it’ to ‘gotta pay someone to make it and deliver it’. Which actually makes it’s impact larger. Creating it, moving it around, pumping it - all require - what’s that?
POWER.
Such a silly silly ‘debate’. So petty and insulting, while certain you’re an expert because…? lmgtf eyeballs and pemdas didn’t do you much good here.
Have a great day.
Your reply is not sarcastic so I’ll reply not sarcastically.
Watts are a unit of power, energy per time, so the answer is 100 Joules per second. 100W would be required indefinitely.
Max More of Alcor had a video stating they did but it was years ago. So not bunk.
I am credible. I might also be credulous lol.
My original statement claimed they do not use electricity to cool onsite, the original article states that patients could unfreeze randomly, it hasn’t happened in modern times because they have massive tanks of liquid nitrogen delivered. That’s not flaky like electricity. Then I followed up with an analysis of how it’s delivered off-site. Then you have a large paragraph about thermodynamics which is a strawman, as that has nothing to do with what is being argued here.
Power, is a unit of energy over time. By storing liquid nitrogen they require no power. The energy has been stored. Thus they are able to ride out fluctuations in the power grid. It’s like a battery. They do not require electricity, at least within normal ranges of power fluctuations over decades. Interpreting that as “checkmate you said entropy is reversed!” is a strawman.
I literally only replied with the tone you started with, sorry if you found it offensive (I didn’t, literally just mirroring your tone as I thought it might be familiar to you).
Continue reading about the topic if you are interested. As 99% of people downvoted similarly I’m going to guess literacy in this area is generally non-existent, that makes you not alone here. Thanks for at least engaging.
that’s got to be at least per dewar / container. you’re not going to keep an entire facility going on 100w.
bullshit. there’s going to be boiling even in a vacuum dewar; hell the moment you first fill it that load of cold liquid has to bring down the wall temps, causing some of it to boil.
it will have to be replaced eventually. and you’re entirely ignoring the fact that the nitrogen delivery is an tremendous cost in power, it’s simply occurring off site so you’re not counting it? pfft
so neither of us is a subject matter expert, but I’m not trying to sell you some kind of pie-in-the-sky ‘just top off the nitrogen and it’ll be fine’ line of bullshit.
as 99% of the people downvoted, perhaps maybe, just maybe, the way you’re expressing your views isn’t being read the way you’re intending. now, not saying you’re wrong, but perhaps with those kinds of numbers you’d be better off looking at what you wrote and revising that instead of silly stories about bicycle power and mythical efficiency.
and still, even if the nitrogen is delivered, internalize it does cost to be made. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.
Even liquid nitrogen in a vacuum dewar will boil off a minute amount, which over time has to be replaced by new liquid nitrogen, which isn’t FREE TO MAKE.
you’re so fucking wrong and so oblivious I don’t see any point in continuing the dialogue. good day.
100w per person, as previously stated. Actually this is one of those “yes you’re all wrong” cases but again you’re engaging so that’s better than everyone else.
Remember what we’re arguing to begin, this went off the rails. The article implies that Cryonics facilities frequently unfreeze bodies when it was only the first ones decades ago. That is not true in modern times because the facilities can and do function with no electricity on site for long periods of time. Plus maintenance is relatively cheap because dewars use so little liquid nitrogen.
Yes of course they use small amounts of energy, power, and electricity in the supply chain off site, and money (it’s overall very expensive). Shouldn’t be necessary to make that point. Anyways, they can function for weeks or months with absolutely no intervention and the bodies do not unfreeze anymore, or it’s really unlikely. That’s the main point I’m trying to make.