Cars can never be too safe. What I want is a car with no computers or telemetry whatsoever. I want a car that is private with how I use it. Like what they were pre 2000s. Just a hunk of metal to go from point A to point B.
Besides kit cars or deliberately older designed cars like a Morgan Stanley, what modern cars have no driver tracking? The only one I’m aware of is the Slate EV.
Agreed, but a 13 year old Nissan leaf is rather old at this point (which is a good thing!), and is affordable. The person I was responding to implied that there are current production cars without tracking, but they are just unaffordable to most, which I found confusing, as I struggle to come up with a modern current production vehicle that doesn’t track the user regardless of it being basic affordable transportation or a Ferrari.
Those cars were absolutely more dangerous than the ones on the road now.
True self-driving cars would be the epitome of safety, because humans are the most common reason for failure in most systems.
Edit: people seem to think I’m endorsing the use of a telescreen… I mean infotainment system, in cars. That’s not what’s happening. Safety technology in cars and spyware in cars are two separate discussions. It’s a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago due in part to advancements in safety technology.
And a fully autonomous vehicle would need all of the sensors and processing to be local, so there’s really no need for the Internet to be involved at all.
I’d 100% trust a purpose built system that can do millions of sensor reading and calculations a second with a full 360° view more than I would a human who can get tired, intoxicated, distracted, or bored. The technology just isn’t there yet.
It’s a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago
The difference in safety over the last 20 years is nothing compared to the difference in safety over the 20 years before that, and again in the 20 years before that. We’ve pretty much plateaued as far as (occupant) safety goes. We’ve somewhat regressed as far as other road useres’ safety goes…
Do those safety features need extensive geolocation storing data and constantly listening to me and monitoring everything I do and keeping it on record?
No? Then remove the monitoring part. I also don’t care one bit for the infotainment crap.
I never said anything about extensive geolocation, storing data, or constantly listening. What are you on about? Most safety sensors aren’t connected to the infotainment system.
Putting advanced safety technology in a car and putting spyware in a car are two different conversations.
OK I think we’re having some miscommunication here.
When I say I want a private car and no computers, I was referring to data storage and telemetry and geolocation communication. Perhaps I was wrong to say ‘no computers’ since the sensors and LIDARs and automated warnings require some computers. So to be specific, I do not want computers with persistent data storage. I read about a case in Canada where the police seized a vehicle’s blackbox after a car crash and they mentioned that the blackbox only stored data for 5 seconds (which is enough time to get information on a car crash) and no more, and it does not contained any stored data about the owner or driver of the car and their driving habits/location history. I can actually live with that.
We absolutely can have cars with as much privacy as the old hunks of metal of old without sacrificing the safety aspects. Of course there are tons of other privacy invading things when you are driving a car. Automated license plate readers and traffic cameras and cameras all over the place, but having the shit removed from within the car is important.
The infotainment is still shit I would get rid of. I don’t want it.
Cars can never be too safe. What I want is a car with no computers or telemetry whatsoever. I want a car that is private with how I use it. Like what they were pre 2000s. Just a hunk of metal to go from point A to point B.
As long as you don’t get a touring bike, most motorcycles don’t track you.
cars like that already exist. you can’t afford them.
Besides kit cars or deliberately older designed cars like a Morgan Stanley, what modern cars have no driver tracking? The only one I’m aware of is the Slate EV.
I have a 2012 Nissan Leaf in Australia. It uses the 2G network for all telemetry. Australia just turned off the 3G network.
I think its pretty safe to say the telemetry does not work anymore.
Agreed, but a 13 year old Nissan leaf is rather old at this point (which is a good thing!), and is affordable. The person I was responding to implied that there are current production cars without tracking, but they are just unaffordable to most, which I found confusing, as I struggle to come up with a modern current production vehicle that doesn’t track the user regardless of it being basic affordable transportation or a Ferrari.
Those cars were absolutely more dangerous than the ones on the road now.
True self-driving cars would be the epitome of safety, because humans are the most common reason for failure in most systems.
Edit: people seem to think I’m endorsing the use of a telescreen… I mean infotainment system, in cars. That’s not what’s happening. Safety technology in cars and spyware in cars are two separate discussions. It’s a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago due in part to advancements in safety technology.
And a fully autonomous vehicle would need all of the sensors and processing to be local, so there’s really no need for the Internet to be involved at all.
I’d 100% trust a purpose built system that can do millions of sensor reading and calculations a second with a full 360° view more than I would a human who can get tired, intoxicated, distracted, or bored. The technology just isn’t there yet.
The difference in safety over the last 20 years is nothing compared to the difference in safety over the 20 years before that, and again in the 20 years before that. We’ve pretty much plateaued as far as (occupant) safety goes. We’ve somewhat regressed as far as other road useres’ safety goes…
Do those safety features need extensive geolocation storing data and constantly listening to me and monitoring everything I do and keeping it on record?
No? Then remove the monitoring part. I also don’t care one bit for the infotainment crap.
I never said anything about extensive geolocation, storing data, or constantly listening. What are you on about? Most safety sensors aren’t connected to the infotainment system.
Putting advanced safety technology in a car and putting spyware in a car are two different conversations.
OK I think we’re having some miscommunication here.
When I say I want a private car and no computers, I was referring to data storage and telemetry and geolocation communication. Perhaps I was wrong to say ‘no computers’ since the sensors and LIDARs and automated warnings require some computers. So to be specific, I do not want computers with persistent data storage. I read about a case in Canada where the police seized a vehicle’s blackbox after a car crash and they mentioned that the blackbox only stored data for 5 seconds (which is enough time to get information on a car crash) and no more, and it does not contained any stored data about the owner or driver of the car and their driving habits/location history. I can actually live with that.
We absolutely can have cars with as much privacy as the old hunks of metal of old without sacrificing the safety aspects. Of course there are tons of other privacy invading things when you are driving a car. Automated license plate readers and traffic cameras and cameras all over the place, but having the shit removed from within the car is important.
The infotainment is still shit I would get rid of. I don’t want it.