Rich, white, old, conservative billionaires
Don’t forget homophobic, xenophobic, racist, misogynist, evil, and pedophilic.
“Conservative” was the 4th word.
He already said rich
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In Brazil we just put our white problem guy in jail, probably for the rest of his life. Hope that becomes an example for the rest of the world.
Technically, he’s under house arrest waiting for the next iteration of the process.
Exactly. We must not commemorate early, to avoid jinxing it.
Ambev will need triple the beer distribution this weekend
Until far-right wins an election and his sentence gets annulled or someone wants to “unite the nation” by pardoning him or some such bullshit
Most/Many countries don’t allow the executive to overrule the judiciary with pardons. Only a courts should be able to decide if and how long someone will be punished based solely on the laws at the time. I don’t know whether Brazil is one of them.
I think the issue with that could be that if the act for which they were sentenced becomes legal then it can be a bit dubious to hold someone in prison over it. For example places where homosexuality was criminal and has since been legalized.
That requires the legislature to create a new law pardoning everyone who was sentenced and not selectively pardoning high-profile people, like in the US.
This would be blatantly unconstitutional for crimes like treason. Legalizing treason is possibly the most unconstitutional a law can be.
But but…
Also remember that two of those elderly madmen were voted in.
They’re not the cause of their respective countries’ problems, they’re a symptom.
The tidalwave of misery they unleash unto this world is something their countrymen wanted.
Well, Trump and friends rigged the election, so I wouldn’t say it’s what the countrymen wanted.
Uh evidence? Bullshit from people on the left is every bit as bad as bullshit from the right.
They did it legally through gerrymandering and said they were going to “fix the machines” before the election. I believe them. Trump even said months before the election to not worry about the votes, he’s got it covered or something like that. This was way before Biden got old.
Trump even said
You say that as if Trump were a reliable narrator.
True, true. I don’t think he meant to say this one out loud though. He wasn’t speaking at a rally, he was speaking to a fellow republican.
Gerrymandering doesn’t apply to presidential elections.
Yes it does in some states. The people who were elected through gerrymandering have a say in who runs the election boards and what the election laws are in a lot of those states. You can bet your ass that they have charts upon charts laying out exactly which states and how they can do that.
I’m pretty sure the members of the US House of Representatives don’t have a say in who is on the election boards or state election laws.
Trump said this in the context of Christians who usually don’t vote. “Vote for me this once and you won’t need to vote again”.
Not like that really matters because of his other actions and also facts don’t mean anything anymore.
You’re right, but he said it in other ways as well. It had another shitty headline like, “People are concerned by Trump’s voting declaration.”
Ya I agree with you. He has stated his intentions in many ways through his actions. The problem is:
A right winger sees people misquoting him, makes a YouTube video pointing out how “silly the left is” by this technical misquote, and then an impressionable non political person goes ‘damn they’re right’ and now starts listening to Joe Rogan.
I don’t give a shit about a youtuber, they’ll make shit up if they do or don’t need to. I see the right wing as being ran by trolls at this point. Ya know, because they are. There are paid trolls here on Lemmy, I can’t imagine how bad youtube is.
He straight up said it on camera like 3 separate times.
They literally just demanded Texas gerrymander. Also, the Supreme Court who was stacked conservative demanded Alabama redraw district lines for disenfranchising black people. Alabama refused, and it was such a pathetic cheat that their own side had to once again demand the draw lines fairly. The only evidence of election tampering is the kaleidoscope swirls that are the voting district lines in red states. It is stealing and cheating.
These three played the American left like a fiddle in order to make it splinter and let trump get power back. What’s worse is Americans were warned they would do it
with the help of rigging the election, and voter suppression. the one on the right, rigged his way in the first place.
They all were, initially. Putin just has had time to cement his rule so much that elections don’t matter
Could you imagine how bad Harris would have been though?
Not sure if this sarcasm or not 😆
Whatever you do, don’t focus on the sick culture at the center of America that caused this. It’s probably some minority group that caused it by not voting hard enough!
Minorities? Thats sounds RADICAL LEFTIST talk for IMMGRANTS! DEPORT them covefed!
Sure that’s a problem. Also. Sit your non-voting ass down for actively allowing bad shit to happen.🤷
If you’ve gotta be convinced why not standing up to this before it happened was worth doing, you can convince the rest of us why you’ve got any right to talk at all. I’m sure when the perfect election comes along you can snipe it, but when real decisions are made
WE. CANT. COUNT. ON. YOU.
If the US gets a decent resolution at the end of this, it’s in spite of you as much as in spite of the R.
I voted Harris and I voted Biden, and I’ve literally never been able to have a discussion about how blaming non-voters is both stupid and nonproductive without someone coming in hot to unload their election related emotional trauma on me like you just did.
Check your assumptions about people and why they believe what they believe. Or just keep screaming at anyone that says your trigger phrase, it seems to be working wonders.
Cool.
If you can’t see how practical decision making works I don’t want to talk to you. Apparently you understand it, but still want to apologize for those who cant.
I don’t have to blame non voters, but I can honestly say screw them. 3 more years and change of this to teach that party against Orange Hitler a lesson for not being good enough. I hope it’s worth it and they don’t all get to take their cute blahaj stuffies to federal summer camp.
Edit: To be extra clear, I don’t blame non voters exclusively for this situation we are in, but I resent them for it, find it totally stupid, and don’t have a lot much sympathy for any consequences a non voter walks into.
If you can’t see how practical decision making works
You mean like the people in blue states who know their electoral vote is going to be blue no matter what? Or the people in deep red states who know it won’t be blue even if every Democratic voter in an adjacent state came over and voted blue? Even though it literally wasn’t possible for them to change the election outcome no matter how they voted?
Is that the kind of practical decision making we’re talking about?
Because that sure sounds like voting as a performative religious rite, and that shit is stupid. People in solid red states* were never going to win blue electoral votes, anyone insisting otherwise literally doesn’t understand how presidential elections work in the US. Same for anyone who thinks some leftist in New York was putting America in peril by voting third party.
* Except Nebraska, which splits its votes based on district rather than whole state only.
You’ve got options. You can vote swap, you can move, or sure you can bemoan the system, but let’s be real:
This is totally in no way what you or the other guy are arguing above. It would even be relevant if we werent such an obvious attempt at an out from the discussion.
The people no voting are not doing it as a fight against the electoral voting system. It’s smug ass, holier than thou, if I can’t vote for the perfect candidate I’ll take my ball and go home and trump (or whatever authoritarian may show up here or in any other country) isnt my fault.
Yeah, sometimes voting a performative ritual. If you show up and tell us how you justify not voting against tyranny when it’s got any chance of being the alternative to people getting shot and you still look like an asshat.
Actually the group of people who voted Trump in combined with the group of people who didn’t vote and decided that they were okay with being complacent with him getting power was a majority of Americans.
It’s funny how ‘people who didn’t vote because they felt disgusted by both options,’ ‘people who didn’t vote because they live in a red state and agree with Trump,’ and ‘people who didn’t vote because they live in a blue state and knew their electoral votes were going blue anyway’ get flattened into a single group that are to blame, and also synonymous with Trump voters. Yay, that’s so much easier and less scary than confronting the wild racism and fascism at the heart of America!
Could you imagine how bad Harris would have been though?
Yeah, that’s the spirit! Like I said, whatever you do, don’t focus on the sick culture at the center of America that caused this
It would have been the same as before, but have 4 years to actually prepare for better candidates… now you better be spending the 4 years preparing to die for your right to vote.
I’ll say it. I don’t/didn’t love Harris. I thought she threw Biden under the bus way too quickly. I voted for her and think she would have done 1000x better.
Hey, don’t forget: both sides
They know they won’t live much longer and they want to burn it all down on the way out. Why do we let them?
Unfortunately it seems that evil has a way of sticking around for way longer then you’d expect, kinda like weeds in your garden.
there are people alive today who think mccarthyism failed not because it was inherently flawed, racist, and wrong, but because they stopped too soon. until we are all free, none of us are free. hope for the future lies in caring for children and nurturing in them a better vision for the future than the present we’ve been given. we have to make propaganda that they will refine and pass on, too. there needs to be generational continuity about the importance of class solidarity across arbitrary differences like race, gender, inherited cultural origins, and sexual orientation
May I add to the important topics? I have thought the same thing, but the list isn’t complete without a generational continuity for scientific literacy and free-thought/skepticism as well.
We have to expect that there will inevitably be someone attempting to manipulate and hold sway over people of the future. Not a point in history exists without struggles for power, and in our own lifetime we’ve seen just how bad the misinformation can get. The future is going to be even more confusing. Solidifying the values listed above is crucial, but without also encouraging skepticism, humans will continue to be swayed by irrational arguments that appeal to basic impulses.
It feels like a lofty goal, I admit, but the best way to combat disinformation is to inoculate yourself against it. The more our children can understand the basic reasoning behind science, internalize the idea of “learning from mistakes,” and can recognize and dismiss logical fallacies, the better their chances will be to resist the con artists that chronically masquerade as “leaders.”
Evil will only last as long as Good let’s it. Evil people are supposed to be cut short or else they live for far longer than they should. Average conservative should have the same lifespan and sudden end as Andrew Breitbart.
They have supporters, and they make everyone around them poor so that they’re tied down to their jobs to obey or face retaliation.
Remove the white part and add Xi and Kim
Kim’s sphere of influence isn’t that big
sphere of influence
I’d argue that sphere is quite big (potentially, anyways)
They haven’t even fired a shot yet, and on some island somewhere, it already caused a bit of a panic.
And don’t forget King Salman of Saudi Arabia.
Just because some powerful people aren’t in the news all the time doesn’t mean they’re not doing things in the background that effect the world.
Also, there’s something close to 400,000 people dead now so far in Yemen and people barely pay attention to it.
But then they can flaunt their racism!
Correction: two white and one orange
Correction, one white.
Genuinely not sure who you consider to be white and who not. Trump is orange, but the other two?
Correction: Zero White
But why
It’s incredible how: everybody lets them.
3 total bastards. Ethnicity isn’t really relevant, and being non-white doesn’t necessarily prevent you from being a powerful despot.
and being non-white doesn’t necessarily you from being a powerful despot.
Example: Modi or Xi
Poor Xi is feeling left out, he’s kinda white too :(
Bolsonaro would like a word.
And the ayatollah
And the Royal family in Saudi Arabia
And most african countries.
But that doesn’t fit the story this OP wants to tell.
Make sure to keep making it about race, really helps your cause. It’s a class war.
I see your point, but… Uhhh … read the room?
I don’t think making the focus on the fact that they’re all white, is helping.
Then being white is more of a statement of fact and while it’s not relevant to the main point, bringing focus to that as if its the problem with this statement, detracts from the message being delivered.
As a white dude, I’m okay with the statement as it has been said. Whitey has been responsible for a lot of fucked up shit in the world.
Unfortunately the colonial era has made it such that race and class are inextricably tied for the forseeable future.
White supremacist ideology is what got us here. Ignoring race is not going to get us out.
Its not a fluke that Nazis are all white. Racial supremacist ideologies tend to be held by people of that race.
Erdogan would fit well into that frame too, although he is only a regional misfit.
Don’t forget the handful of billionaires behind them.
To be fair, Putin is trying to avoid a painful and undignified death.
All 3 are.
Those three die and nothing changes measurably. They are symptoms of larger problems/hegemonic monsters.
The US is still a tyrant controlling global relationa for its own benefit.
Israel will still be the US’s proxy ethnostate hellbent on genocide.
Russia will still be attempting to assert its will through strongman efforts using their nuclear arsenal as poker ante.
the one on the right responsible for the other 2’s rise to power. although lesser effect on old benny
