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Donald Trump argued that a GOP budget bill should help only Republican states instead of benefiting Democratic governors.
“We’re going to make a couple of tweaks,” Trump said of his “one big beautiful bill” during a Tuesday trip to Capitol Hill. “I mean, we don’t want to benefit Democrat governors, although I would do that if it made it better, but they don’t know what they’re doing.”
“We want to help all the states, but we have governors that are from the Democrat [sic] party, let’s say New York, Illinois, big ones, and let’s say Gavin ‘Newscum,’ who’s done a horrible job in California.”
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California, Oregon, Washington. I think you should join Canada! Free Health Care. It’s not perfect, but you won’t lose your house or life savings if you have a health issue.
California, Oregon, Washington. I think you should join Canada
And if we don’t want them?
Even the most left-ish states are still relatively right leaning by Canadian standards.
California is bigger GDP than Canada
Doesn’t mean we want them… Y’all got serious social issues to sort out first.
Believe me, many of us are down for that. Or the Pacific States of America. Or Cascadia and the Republic of California.
It’s the devastating war that would follow that we’re nervous about.
The devistating war is already on, and has been for generations. Maybe it’s a cold war from folks perspective, but I would contend that’s a matter of privilege.
Also where would California get water?
Repurpose the golf courses and stop growing stupid water hogging crops in the fucking desert. The city I live in is unusual for Cali in that it has plenty of water.
We’re already building desalinization plants along with more renewable energy than we need.
Let me sure I got this right. Your plan is to take states that don’t like you and teach them to be more independent of the federal government, is that correct?
Time for articles of impeachment. Or secession.
Secession is what Russia is blackmailing him for. Secede MAGA instead.
Elect an alternate president. Reject Donald.
Remind me which states pay all the fucking taxes again?
Remind me again why some states would want to remain in a union if they aren’t benefiting from the partnership
External threats, namely Russia and China who worked hard to create this problem in the first place.
Just asking but what about Kansas that has 3/4 districts support the President and a Dem gov cause our most populated district is the blue one? Do we get the money? Half? Maybe we get the money but we go screw ourselves later?
As soon as tornado season is in full swing … you’ll know your answer
The response to what happened in Tulsa was abject neglect; if it had happened in any other area of Oklahoma, it would have mattered. But Tulsa is Black and Blue.
Mine pays for a huge number of them. California.
We’re going to vote on whether we want to seriously pursue succeeding from the US in 2028. If this shit doesn’t stop, I imagine things will slowly fall apart in this country.
California recently (this year, I believe) became the fourth largest GDP in the world, previously the fifth.
Well, huh. If half the state participates, and 55% of the participants vote yes, it’ll mean a vote of no confidence in the US, but won’t actually mean secession. It’ll form a commission to study the viability though.
Technically, it isn’t a vote for secession, but rather a vote for dedicating resources towards researching the option. Which, honestly, would be better IMO. It gives California options, since we don’t exactly know how things will look two-four years from now. We could have AOC sweeping out Trump in a special election, we could have Trump’s parade murdering civilians who block the procession, we simply don’t know.
So we should all prepare our blue states for the possibility of conflict, be it knowledge, resources, or institution. Hope for the best, expect the worst.
Can we just get to the Civil war part of this timeline already, I’m fucking tired man
The civil war has already started- and the “opposition” seems pretty content to spend the first stages allowing MAGA to set up the battlefields and terms of engagement to their liking.
I realize I’m making some optimistic assumptions about the durability of our election apparatus, but if we can’t get a shift in power at the midterms I suspect the fascist in chief will accelerate his rate of attacks on freedoms and it won’t be long after that. I predict we make it no later than slightly past the midterms before hitting that point unless there’s a big shift on the congressional side of things.
Not so much because I think people will take to the streets with that in mind, by the way, but because tensions will be so high that somebody somewhere is going to make just the wrong mistake, some people are going to die or get badly hurt, and it’s going to set things off from there.
I’m just so fucking pissed that Trump keeps pulling his fucking punches. He’s made so many missteps only to walk them back at the last minute. Still fucking horrible, still hurting people, but avoiding the vast majority of the actual impact and lethality of his decisions.
Tariffs being example A, B, C and D.
I do NOT want prices to skyrocket, I do not want people to suffer, I do not want a fucking civil war. But holy shit. You can’t play stupid chicken as the president and continuously get away with saying “oops” sorry someone else ruined the sick flip I was going to do over and over.
If he’d been forced to commit, he’d likely already be dead or out of office.
I’m so fucking exhausted.
Walking back the tariffs was always part of the plan. The whole thing is the biggest market manipulation fraud in history. He puts the tariffs on for a few days, the market tanks, them he postpones the tariffs, and the market bounces back.
He’s only been in about 3 months, and he’s already done it 3 or 4 times. It’s all a scam, everything with these mobsters is a scam.
No, he hasn’t really held back. The worst damage has its effects delayed, but will become apparent within two years: The elimination of food and drug standards, the death of NOAA’s weather services, the destruction of our scientific institutions, cutting of federal workers of every category.
Our society has been hollowed into a house of cards, and will only require a breeze for everything to fall apart.
It’ll be super fucked if we do. If it’s left vs right you’ll have most of the major cities besieged by rural folk. If it’s state on state, Red and blue states both will have to “secure” vast swaths of their populations or suffer constant sabotage.
This isn’t as easily cut and dry, north vs south, as the US civil war was. Modern civil war would be a hell of destroyed cities and slaughtered or starving innocents. Just look at all current conflicts. You may be tired now, but it’s nothing compared to the reality of what USCWII would be.
Closest analogous conflicts I could imagine would be when the us bombed eastern europe. Urban areas would be bereft of food and incoming supplies, rural areas would be bereft of most foods and incoming supplies, and everyone devolves into roving gangs and desperate attempts to fortify an area of ‘trusted’ neighbors.
Reading the first hand accounts of what people went through is enough to make me horrified whenever anyone talks about the possibility of a civil war with glee. They don’t have the imagination or the knowledge to comprehend what neighbor vs. neighbor really looks like.
Which is why we should all be joining up with supportive local community groups, like, yesterday. Under this administration, one should best assume that there is no official safety net anymore. The dictator-in-chief can sign an executive order and remove everything on a whim.
We’re going to be reliant on our neighbors in a way we haven’t seen in generations. Get involved and start making connections now. There are organizations across the country that serve their own communities.
One quick note - be mindful of how those organizations are funded. If they rely on government funding, that means they’re beholden to the government. To this government. Which can choose to withhold funding or to attach ridiculous strings to it. On the other hand, if they’re completely donation-based by the local community, they can remain faithful to their members’ interests and keep running regardless of which politicians are in charge. Just something to keep in mind.
Closest analogous conflicts I could imagine would be when the us bombed eastern europe.
Weird to frame the breakup wars and ethnic conflict of Yugoslavia around the part that the US played in it. Assuming that was what you were talking about
Well, that was the perspective of the people I spoke to and read of, so it’s how I interpret the stories I was told.
The state that contributed the most taxes also elected Gavin Newsom and houses Elon Musk / Peter Thiel.
They are getting what they deserve.
California voted to keep prison slavery in place. Our entire country is the sick man of the Americas.
This is what always blows my mind. All these states with leadership bitching about mooching off the federal government are exactly the states which mooch off of the federal government, because their states produce literally nothing.
Not completely true. They produce various goods, they just have so many dumb poor people that it’s a net loss.
Can you point out specific examples?
It’s not specific, but most of those states produce food.
“The United [sic] States.”
When I say “not my president”, it’s not me refusing to acknowledge Trump’s authority/ being a sovereign citizen. It’s me saying he is acting in a deliberately antagonist way. He sees us as the enemy. He isn’t leading, in fact he’s doing the opposite.
Here’s what’s supposed to be normal: even if you don’t vote for someone in office, you are still their responsibility. JB Pritzker still has a responsibility to protect Republicans in Illinois. Greg Abbott still has the responsibility to protect democrats in Texas.
Time for blue states to stop paying federal tax, then.
That must be comforting to hear to republican citizens living in those blue states.
States by GDP:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP
In 2024, states that voted for Harris generated 48% of the GDP, Trump states 52%.
Let’s look at Texas voting by county
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_TexasNow let’s look at the proportion of gdp by county
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Texas_counties_by_GDP_2021.pngHmm I wonder where most of the money in red states comes from…
Those are very “people live in cities” map.
Yup, my point is that red states gdp is being propped up by blue cities. The argument that red states generate equivalent gdp conveniently ignores that the counties in the state that do vote red don’t actually generate that much gdp. Cities are generally blue because the very nature of city life leans blue, and if you take these blue cities out of the equation you’d end up with a fraction of the supposed gdp of a red state.
And honestly a lot of these supposedly red states would crumble if gerrymandering didn’t exist, but that’s a separate point.
Let’s fucking Balkanize already. My blue state has all the nukes and I would love to use them on Trump and his red-state dick sucks.
Terrible idea. That would kill millions and also kill a ton of people that hate Trump. Plus, cut off that area of land for 100s of years. If using nukes weren’t a big deal, they would be used in common skirmishes.
There isn’t one state that has all the nukes.
I agree with but every state has blue voters too
The red states don’t have enough blue voters but they do have plenty
And the opposite is also true.
I think the blue states should cut all the funding they provide for the government.
balkanization of the united states plays right into putin’s best interests. how about we just stack conservative bodies until this country stops being so fucking stupid?
Even just CA would absolutely make an impact.
California secession / Calexit would be beautiful. That is how I know it would never happen, even as rest of the US collapses into Gilead.
there is a petition. Sign it.
I love it. “Here’s a petition to betray the country. Any separatists come forward and put your name on this list.”
It will save sooooo much time.
My guy, are you familiar with the Declaration of Independence?
