It should be the responsibility of citizens to learn and understand their due process rights not for law enforcement to have to tell every criminal how not to incriminate themselves.
If someone can’t go on google and read the 5th-8th amendments before going out and doing some dumb and illegal shit then they deserve to be clueless thinking they have to answer questions during interrogation and be dead in the water when their trial comes.
Its easy to search “Do Americans have the right to a lawyer” on google.
TLDR: Knowing and understanding your rights should be the responsibility of citizens not cops.
Putting aside any of the other concerns here just to focus on an underlying assumption in your post:
It’s interesting that you assume everybody has easy access to Google.
Every adult under 70 has a smartphone
Haha, okay, I get it 😂
cops are allowed to lie to you. that’s fucked up. they should have to add that to the Miranda rights. Anything the officer says can and will be bullshit.
cops are allowed to lie to you.
Why do you, as a people, allow such a thing?
They have guns and license to kill, tough guy
I ain’t no bitch, but I tuck my dick for goons everytime BC I got people who rely on me to live so I can’t get killed by some metally ill wife beater.
The politicians of both sides allow it. How do you propose we fix it?
I can’t tell because I don’t know all the details of your system of governance.
But the general principle of a democracy is that the people are the highest authority, and the elected ones, who make the laws, have to serve the people.
You think there is democracy in the US? Our votes don’t even matter because politicians purposefully draw the districts to favor the outcome they want (gerrymandering) and it’s completely legal because the people in charge of making the laws are the same people that are in control and want to stay in control.
The US is soft despotism. Giant corporations literally buy the laws they want at the expense of the people, because politicians like money and are happy to sign away bills for a large
bribegift of a million dollars. The people aren’t in control and haven’t been anywhere close to in control for nearly a century.What was illegal for President Warren G Harding in the 1920’s (giving all his under qualified buddies cabinet positions, so they could all make huge deals with government contracts) is now just the norm and completely legal.
You think there is democracy in the US?
Last time when they voted, the still acted that way… :)
That’s why I mentioned that the US is just operating in a form of soft despotism. It is not obvious the the American people.
Most US citizens believe they have the power or believe they have a lot of power or even at least some power.
Soft despotism gives people the illusion that they are in control, but actually they don’t have any real influence over the government.
The problem is that the people aren’t in control anymore. Laws have been twisted to basically allow big business to own the government. The conservatives which is not the majority have screed things up to the point that I’m not sure how we fix this anymore. 1969 ? Maybe. Today? No idea how we fix it
The problem is that the people aren’t in control anymore.
They were never in control in US. US regime from its inception was the government by the rich for the rich. Empire needed a buy in from a base so they treated white settlers as that base and gave them rights by mistake. Having what is now considered some basic human rights was novel back then but it is kinda expected now. And every regime is rolling them back, not just tUS.
No idea how we fix it
Starts with direct action and ends with solidarity
Removed by mod
Because we thrive on suffering.
If someone is innocent then lying shouldn’t be able to lead them to a confession
It does though, and it happens all the time. Many people will offer false confessions because they think the police have constructed a viable case against them and it is simply their least bad option to hope they cab get out of prison a little earlier.
They’ll also gaslight, manipulate, or torture people into confessing. It’s really fucked up.
Fawning is a well studied stress response (1), false confessions happen.
What about innocent people who are coerced into admissions of guilt?
“Anything you say can and will be used against you”
Innocent people get charges all the time because they don’t shut up when talking to cops.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
before going out and doing some dumb and illegal shit
It’s not solely people guilty of a crime that are arrested.
You have it exactly and completely backwards.
Imagine:
Dave and Tom live on a desert island - just the two of them
Dave believes that all human beings have a right to life.
Tom does not - he believes that there can be no such thing.
Do either of them actually have, in a practical sense, a right to life?
The answer is yes - Tom has a right to life, because Dave has ceded it to him
It doesn’t matter how strongly Dave believes in a right to life - he himself will never in fact have one because the only person who’s in a position to respect it or violate it - Tom - doesn’t even recognize it.
However, it also doesn’t matter that Tom does not believe in a right to life - he does in fact have one, solely because Dave is the only person in a position to respect it or violate it, and Dave believes it exists.
Rights don’t exist when they’re claimed - they exist when they’re recognized and respected.
So Miranda has it exactly right and you have it exactly wrong - it’s not only not an accused criminal’s responsibility to lay claim to their rights - it’s functionally impossible for them to do so. The rights of an accused criminal "must* be stipulated by those who are in a position to violate them, because it’s only by their recognition of them and respect for them that they can be meaningfully said to exist at all.
And that’s also why an officer or an organization that will, if given the chance, ignore the rights of defendants must be stopped. By doing so, they are explicitly violating the trust that has been placed in them and demonstrating categorically that they cannot be allowed to wield that authority.
Oh so have you read all of the law and regulations to see if you missed something you ought to know? It’s all right there in Google!
Miranda rights (and your legal rights in general) should be recited by cops, reviewed annually in schools, and drilled into people at every opportunity. If you find yourself in cuffs, or even just approached by a cop on the street for a seemingly casual discussion, you may not be clear-headed and that stuff needs to be burned into your subconscious.
Speaking of which, it’s Friday. Time for the weekly review (NSFW, language).
Tell me you don’t understand jack shit about criminal justice without telling you don’t understand jack shit.
But this is the sub for this stupidity so good job.
Good thing is that you already sound like you got them bootstraps!
I understand my rights and don’t commit crimes I would be fully prepared if ever arrested. I see no reason why the more ignorant of my fellow citizens should be given the knowledge by police instead of figuring it out by themselves
Sincerely, I believe most people believe they “know their rights”.
So you’re essentially proposing arresting people for ignorance?
OP is likely too young to understand how the occupation force in US operates tbh.
Likely also white
Just naive edge lord
Wrong I’m 28 and a minority.
That’s young but you should know better lol
Either way this is subtle class signaling, good to see we broken that class ceiling, ✊
No, just that police shouldn’t have to tell people about their rights when they are arrested
But that means uneducated people will be the most-likely to get arrested. By definition, no?
The problem here is that you are working with an extremely tiny set of what you believe to be knowledge.
And your opinions flow from that.
You are probably unaware that police started as private forces meant to beat the living shit out of people who were protesting unfair labor conditions and the poverty that flowed from extreme concentration of wealth among few capitalists.
You probably don’t know anything. You probably don’t even know that slavery is related to how the justice system functions.
So it’s time to shut up and go learn.
Might be that someone is innocent, and thus didn’t read the 5th-8th amendments before going out and doing some dumb and illegal shit (read: they didn’t).
Y’all can’t down vote him for an unpopular opinion in this sub!!!
I damand that mods ban all violators immediately
FFS, how young are you that this thought wasn’t immediately filtered as pure unadulterated horseshit prior to posting it online.🤦🏼♂️
Stay in school, kids.
