Missing some important ones like
Anyone could have known as early as 2016. Just by checking the Wiki page on demagogues and having a look at the tactics section.
Both Hitler and Trump check all of those boxes. These two have more in common than people want to admit.
He was reported to have kept a copy of hitler’s book on his nightstand for years, so yeah, there was that. He directly quoted mussolini and stalin at that. There was never any doubt he would try to become like them. It just so happened that the rot in our institutions, and opposition party, was so deep nothing stopped him, even though he’s an incompetent braggartty bore. Those are his better qualities. It’s depressing we lost our republic, it appears, to that asshole. The party will take over after he’s gone too they fully intend on fixing elections.
like hitler he was also methanphetamine and its variants.
trump also mentioned he idolizes hitler many times, and has allegedly has the MEIN KHAMF as a shrine when he sleeps.
Well, having a book like “Mein Kampf” on your nightstand is not a good sign either, but him using all the methods of a demagogue should have been unmistakable and even more obvious.
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Because they didn’t just stick to oppressing the citizens of their country, they invaded a country that had allies and they caused a war which they lost.
So Greenland is Poland and Canada is France in this scenario, got it.
“after a few years, we won’t stand for that, will we?”
I think it was some struggling artist that got fed up and shot their leader, wasn’t it?
They were opposed by a coalition of other countries led by an emerging super power who cooked their asses in a world war ending in nukes.
Oh. Oh no.
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And obviously you respect especially Belarus and Ukraine, because it was them that did the heavy lifting in that, as you already somewhat mentioned, right?
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Well, the evil red fash tankies you hate so much made enormous sacrifices and contributions in order to bring them down.
So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?
Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland. If the Nazi’s never declared on them, would the Soviets have attacked them first?
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Tankie here
I’m going to be honest here, that alone is generally enough to make me downvote, ignore, and move on. However I respect that you’ve written a detailed historical response, which is the only reason I’m going to reply as I am.
I’ve had this debate too many times with tankies and it goes nowhere. The time and effort I could invest into replying to paragraph upon paragraph of text would yield nothing of value, and as I have seen time and time again we would both walk away without any difference of historical opinion. So I apologise but I’m not going to sit here and waste what could be an hour or more of my time sourcing and counter-arguing what I feel is a futile endeavour. And if I may offer some advice, conciseness is more respectful of ones time rather than the wall-of-text approach.
I will say that I fully acknowledge that Soviet troops were monumental in defeating Nazi Germany, but this was not in a vacuum and without the contributions of the other Allies and programs such as Lend-Lease the Soviets would have also not have achieved what they did. As for the Poland stuff, I heavily disagree, and I’ll leave it at that.
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I respect and appreciate Lend-Lease, I can’t tell if it saved the war, but it certainly saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives by providing much-needed humanitary assistance in hunger-struck WW2 USSR.
Almost all of the trucks used by the Soviet Military were US-made trucks delivered through that lend-lease program. I would guess that the ability to bring fuel and ammo to the front did help the Soviet Army quite some bit!
It is of course possible they could have won bringing the ammo to the front with horses instead of trucks, but honestly – I doubt they would have made it.
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So did the other allies, do you suddenly like capitalist countries?
I like them when they’re killing Nazis, yes.
Oh and let’s not ignore the Soviets allying with Nazi Germany to annex Poland.
Oh and let’s not ignore Britain and France allying with Nazi Germany to give them the Sudetanland.
If the Nazi’s never declared on them, would the Soviets have attacked them first?
If the Nazis had never declared on the Allies, would they have attacked them first? Is there a point to this counterfactual?
Cool, I don’t like capitalist states even when they’re a broken clock sometimes.
Likewise I don’t like Britain and France, so I’m happy not to ignore them, nor do I think they would have invaded to stop the genocide if not for the invasion of Poland.
You seem to be deflecting and arguing against a liberal instead of an anarchist. Better luck next time.
At this point I’m genuinely confused why you asked the question in the first place. What answer were you looking for? Because last I checked the Allies, who collectively stopped the fascists, were an alliance between state entities. Specifically, between capitalist states and the USSR. But you “don’t like” either of those, even when they’re fighting the Nazis!
Why would you ask a rhetorical question to lead people to an answer you disagree with? Christ, the brainworms are beyond my ability to detangle.
Your little gotcha’s didn’t land, so now you’re going back to square one?
I was asking because the answer was the use of force - not waiting until the mid-terms to vote in what will most likely be the most rigged election in US history. A answer I feel most people understood, but of course you had to try and shoehorn in ‘the soviets were great’ which isn’t surprising from you lot.
Either way I’m done replying now, you can simp for genocidal authoritarians to someone else.
If the use of force alone was enough, the Nazis never would’ve come to power. There were plenty of people willing to face them in the streets and match their violence, far more than there are in the US today.
But it’s obvious that you just want to exchange snipes and have zero interest in actually learning anything from history, so you will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past. Even when the fascists are at your doorstep, you’ll still be punching left, and demanding everyone follow incoherent and dysfunctional ideas because you can’t be assed to read theory, study history, or engage with anyone beyond snipes and memes.
It’s really not for so many reasons. But high speed mass communication changes everything. It’s really far worse. Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.
Soo many more people know what is happening and are choosing to be part of it.
This was true in Nazi Germany too.
The key word in the sentence is “more”. So no it can’t be true that in Nazi Germany more people knew than in Nazi Germany. 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2?
Would you look at that, the post is already removed on Reddit.
If it was removed, how am I seeing it?
I have no idea, but if you click the source in the link it’ll take you to a Reddit page that has the opening post deleted.
I assume since this was posted to infosecpub, a copy was stored there and then all of the other instances view it from there. And the “source” link was just a link to the original post on reddit
Interesting that German Nazis didn’t wear masks. Guess US Nazis are cowards? Or maybe we just need to give it more time until the impunity becomes systemic.
Nazi Germany didn’t have to deal with the slight issue of CCTV, doorbell cameras and every single person having in their pocket an Internet-linked camera with facial recognition capabilities
That only matters in the case of actual accountability. At this point, these fuckers won’t see justice unless they happen to be on the losing side of the civil war/war of independence, depending on who is writing the history books.
I was thinking more along the lines of “Internet justice” e.g. doxxing. That’s the real fear
the DNC is unlikely to push prosecute them, even if they do it will be a slap on the wirst like the jan 6 Rioters.
they did have radio which was very effective.
As far as facial identification goes, the phrase, “you have a face for radio” exists for a reason.
American racists are cowards, just like at the kkk.
They know it’s bad what they are doing
many of the ICE are also race traitors; hispanics blacks, thier community will know the moment they are outed as an ICE pig.
Military parades, police brutality and people reduced to misery is not a trump exclusive. USA has been fascist for a long time.
True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
The Allies were absolutely more favorable to surrendering Nazis, no question, but let’s not act like Paperclip was somehow unique or exceptional.
It’s more salient, I think, that the Nazis concept of Lebenstraum was inspired by American Manifest Destiny, as did Jim Crow laws for the Third Reich’s legal implementation of genocidal policies.
True, but the major powers all did forced ‘reparations’ from Germany. Paperclip involved the other Allied and colonial powers too.
Most countries and nations are shit. Name a single ruling politician from any first world country that oppose trump.
If you look at the denazification program the Soviets did in East Germany, and then look at the lack of such efforts by the Allies in West Germany, you get a better understanding of the different approach by each side to Nazis.
Exactly, Soviets wanted to wipe them out, while Allies took them in. Soviets are by far the real heroes.
Did you miss the part where operation paper clip was a race against the Soviets to take the most intellectual talent? They were giving the right people passes too. The ideological war was long over and the existential war around nukes was just getting going. Everyone wanted those scientists.
Yeah except the Soviets already were AHEAD in the science department, remember ??
They were the ones that started the space-race. Oh & those “scientists” were Nazis.
The soviets developed nukes frighteningly fast. They developed very big nukes and then the ICBM if memory serves. They made some scary fucking Nukes
The primary difference is access to the media being shown here, as in most of the 1930s footage was not nearly as widely available as it is in the video-in-your-pocket era
Some of the resemblances are a bit far sought, but yeah, the US is currently run by Nazi wannabees
They are not 3rd riech nazis there are 4 Chan nazis
How can I download a copy of the video? On Voyager fwiw
Click video, then select 3 dot menu, download
Well shit, I thought I’d tried that but nope. There it was. Thanks!
Was the Nazi salute not a big enough giveaway ??
The only thing missing are the tatoos. oh wait… looks at Graham Platner plus others
The US have always been fascists to countless countries and their own minorities.
Now they complain because they get a little taste at home.
I really can’t have any sympathy for them, on the contrary.
