• snooggums@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    I still don’t get why rural voters latched onto a clearly narcissistic big city property developer who lies constantly and treat rural people like shit as a response to big city politicians who rural voters think lie constantly and treat rural people like shit.

    Just because he said words they wanted to hear? Politicians do that all the time! How is he the one they believe?

    All the points in the article are accurate, but it just doesn’t make sense that the personification of everything they hate about cities is who they end up worshipping.

    • Blackbeard@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      He’s a fighter. He fights everyone, about everything. I think that’s the crux of it.

      Over the 1990s and 2000s these people were completely and utterly forgotten. Textiles, mines, manufacturing plants, they shuttered over and over and over and over again, and their children moved to big cities en masse. Their small cities and rural towns went from being on a growth trajectory (everything was on that trajectory between WWII and NAFTA) to being on a path to contraction and decay. Over that time they got madder, and madder, and madder, and madder, and they watched the Republican party (the one who at least paid lip service to “small government” and “traditional values”) lean harder and harder into corporatism. They were promised good things over and over and over again, and they were constantly pandered to, then lied to, and then ignored. Wash, rinse, repeat.

      Well, Trump was the first one who didn’t talk, act, and think like the other guys. He wasn’t a politician, and that’s a great thing because (as they’d all come to agree) politicians are lying scum. So then not only was he willing to fight ferociously for them (and only them), he was willing to spit in the face of the people who lied to them all those years. And those political figures started to look like whiny little children when they stepped up and started saying, “hey, he’s lying to you!” The voters’ response was, “yeah? so the fuck what! you did too!”

      He flips the system on its head, and he exposes politicians for what they are, because he’s exactly like them but he doesn’t give a fuck about playing the political game. To them, this is a godsend (literally). It’s the first crack in the political system that gave them any kind of sustained, meaningful authority to push back both politically and culturally, and he delivered a court system that’ll now push the entire country to the right over the next few decades. They simply don’t care about the democratic institutions he’s destroying, because they never helped the rural folk anyway.

      Note: I don’t personally agree with much of this nonsense, and I think it’s a lot like shooting yourself in the face to cure a hangnail, but I’m just giving you a sense of how they look at it, and why he’s so weirdly transcendent to them. He’s a rich, connected insider, who decided to burn the system down from the inside.

      • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        If only there was a group of people who told us neoliberalism and NAFTA would be disastrous!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protests

        Since NAFTA, Americans have watched the economy grow, but its stability plummet.

        https://depts.washington.edu/wtohist/testimonies/comesatime.htm

        Interesting reflection in today’s world where we keep getting told that the current administration has done great for the economy, and yet the wealth devide keeps growing, and more and more people are living paycheck to paycheck.

        There’s an also an interesting linguistic difference that is very noticeable between this movement and today’s repercussions of the inaction that followed. While in English we often speak of “anti-globalization” in French they say “alter-mondialisation”. A different globalization instead of against globalization. The French term much better described the left wing movement of the time, while the media only spoke of anti-globalization which now became a calling cry of the right.

        Fun fact, a Twitter was originally conceptualized as a result of the 1999 protests^1 due to the difficulties and successes people on the streets had with coordinating via SMS (which at the time was rather new and novel).


        Anyhow, I guess we should all vote for the neoliberal again, surely that will fix it!

        [1] https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3485447.3512282

        • Blackbeard@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          7 months ago

          I mean, you’re not wrong. I think Trump’s ascendancy represents the collapse of the neoliberal consensus of the late 20th century. Where we go from here is anyone’s guess, but the fact that both the left and right are screaming about the evils of neoliberalism means that there’s now a bipartisan coalition willing to dismantle the institutions that arose out of that consensus. It’s a loose coalition, to be sure, and each wing is arguing for fundamentally different futures, but they’re still targeting the same players, and new economic models are now en vogue and within the realm of possibility. Just sucks that one of them is outright fascism.

          • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            7 months ago

            The two also have been fundamental in establishing those policies.

            Reganomics/Thatcherism is just as much to blame.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      7 months ago

      I still don’t get why rural voters latched onto a clearly narcissistic big city property developer who lies constantly and treat rural people like shit as a response to big city politicians who rural voters think lie constantly and treat rural people like shit.

      Because he gave their bigotry a voice.

  • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    votes do not matter and the election is rigged

    there are people such as myself barred from voting and there are states wanting to only have one candidate on the voting ballot on top of what this article mentions

    please change my mind with good facts begging you please give us hope that this comment is wrong

    also great fucking article

      • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        in the US your rights are dependent on which state you reside in 24/7 and you are not allowed to live in more than two states 24/7 so only one state’s rights per person and those rights do not carry over state lines

        Vacation houses and the like do not count unless you register as living there 24/7 which registering requires an ID or driver’s license from where the state gives out licenses (different office and name in different countries mean states)

        this is all because of how fractured the “US” is think fifty different countries all pulling in fifty opposite directions even the states that are in the republican or democrat camps

        the stickiness comes in when a citizen of one state registers as a citizen in another state without giving up the other state’s citizenship thus making a person at least on paper as living in two states simultaneously giving that person the rights of two different states depending on which state they are in and registered also

        for example registering to vote is a state by state thing not connected nation wide and if you are registered as citizen in more than one state you could in theory be registered to vote in more than one state and do so since not really checked nationally only state wide and registering to vote is validating an address

        some state driver’s license/ IDs are slowly being connected nation wide but it is still not a national thing across all “states”

        to wrap this up not able to vote because am living in more than one state 24/7 in order to use the rights of other states when am at my other address - if voted it could be contested and deemed illegal voting which is a felony because being registered in another state is very frowned upon

        so technically could vote legally but it could result in a felony if contested

        would not be an issue if the US had national laws that all states had to abide by and a national playbook that was played on in all states

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      7 months ago

      If votes don’t matter then you shouldn’t care that you can’t vote… I’m of the opinion that no one should lose voting rights ever. It’s a stupid punishment.

      The election is “rigged” if you consider “rigged” to mean that first past the post voting always devolves into a two party system, and Citizens United caused both of those parties to be bought.

      If by “rigged” you mean that someone today already knows for certain who will win in November, then no, that’s crazy. But I’d agree that the difference in candidates is smaller than it should be because both are heavily influenced by money.

      • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        7 months ago

        mean rigged as in the bipartisan politics that took my vote away were crafted by the same groups that have candidates on the ballot for people to “vote” for

        democrats and republicans made laws and policies on a bipartisan effort nationally and statewide to invalidate a portion of Americans from voting and they disallow third parties from debating on the national debate platforms

        https://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/17/green_partys_jill_stein_cheri_honkala

        the two corporate parties both rigged the game board in their favor plain as day and it does not matter which of the two “parties” win because either way we the people lose