@geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml banned me from !ManufacturingConsent@lemmy.ml (permanently!) and removed my comment from the post, because I dared to note that there are protests in Iran and shared a link to a crimethinc article with voices from within Iran. They call it “imperialist propaganda” if leftist voices from within Iran are distributed.
My comment:
I get it that the western media narrative is incredibly one-sided, focused on ideological bogeymen and focused on getting the monarch back in power. But I’d like to point out that there is in fact quite massive repression going on against the protestors. Leftist orgs in Iran need international solidarity now.
Their “reasoning”:
reason: Ignoring the post to spam imperialist propaganda
I don’t think that person can be reasoned with if they call crimethinc imperialist propaganda, so I’m not getting my hopes up for them lifting the ban.
I also think that they might be a bit butthurt, because I called out their zionistic worldview (i.e.: that judaism equates zionism) a few days ago.
Am I not allowed to discuss a comment I saw browsing a community?
Yes, I’m telling you that you’re spreading imperialist propaganda, but after browsing through your profile and seeing that you’re a German “Anarchist”, I’ve decided to give up. Good luck defending Israel’s right to exist or something, enjoy the upcoming compulsory military conscription in your country! Rosa Luxembourg and Liebknecht would be proud /s
Your country will not have a meaningful anticapitalist movement until you start treating the Soviet Union as the heroes who saved your asses from Nazism.
How would you know? You haven’t read what I shared.
So much for “trying to have a polite conversation”.
You just want to project whatever weird excuse to make you feel superior to me. First it was by claiming that something I posted was propaganda (without reading it). Now it’s assuming my political view on European imperialism and genocide, basedon where I happen to live.
Wow, what a very materialist analysis from you. I’ve accepted daddy Stalin as my personal savior. /s
God, you fucking ML cultists are aggravating. 🙄
I dropped the politeness when you started insulting me :) enjoy your compulsory recruitment! Go kill some Ruzzianz, buddy!
So, what exactly makes you think that I’m pro Israeli genocide or pro war with Russia, if not your rampant urge to put strangers into boxes to satisfy your hate-boner?
Even after finding out that I consider myself an anarchist (who are famous for being war-mongers and genocide-lovers /s).
The fact that you’re unwilling to maintain a normal conversation on why you’re engaging in US-aligned atrocity propaganda.
So no reason at all, since (as I’ve pointed out several times now) you don’t know what the article I shared actually contains.
I’m very willing to have a normal converation, given that the other person isn’t a bad-faith troll.
Also: what does that have anything to do with being German? I thought there was a reason why you’re treating me like Friedrich Fudking Merz.
Your original banned comment includes the words: “I’d like to point out that there is indeed quite massive repression going on against protestors in Iran”. You’re unwilling to accept that this IS, by definition, atrocity propaganda, and it means you’re carrying water for the US, however good your intentions are. I tried to discuss this politely with you but you started swearing at me. That’s my reason, you got defensive and started insulting me when I started showing the flaws of your political stance.
So, are you claiming that there weren’t protests going on and those weren’t answered with massive repression? Were’s the exaggeration? Where’s the fabrication? The original post was stating that everything’s fine in Iran, while massive protests were going on (which you acknowledged yourself)
And why are you afraid to read the article if it’s not because you’re not interested in engaging in anything that contradicts your already made-up mind?
I started insulting you, because you were trolling (and frankly - never stopped). Tellme where you are from so that I can insult you for things out of your control.
Those protests were going on, and massive repression has occurred. Atrocity propaganda can be (and is in fact most effective when it is) real. I didn’t claim you lied, I didn’t claim the article was false. You misunderstand that the word “propaganda” necessarily means that it’s false, it doesn’t necessarily imply falseness. Atrocity propaganda simply means you’re focusing part of the discourse on crimes of the opposing side, and you’re actively engaging this. You literally made it a point to write a comment pointing out to the repression in a post about Iran that wasn’t discussing this: you CHOSE to bring it up and deviate the conversation of the post towards crimes of the Iranian government. This is a textbook example of atrocity propaganda.
Again: I don’t doubt that you’re doing this coming from a good place and with the good intention of supporting progressive comrades in Iran. I’m just reminding you that doing this during an ongoing military buildup against Iran in the context of protests generated by western sanctions killing Iranians through poverty IS atrocity propaganda.