Home Assistant has so many moving parts, so I don’t complain. I do wish containers would become first class citizens like the OS, because some stuff is just harder in containers. The only thing I can think of as to the “why” is because of how the OS project installs software, but that’s an easily addressed problem so it must be something else.
Still, it’s nice to know the container method is moving forward; I’m so done with installing specific OSes just to use some given piece of software.
I do wish containers would become first class citizens like the OS, because some stuff is just harder in containers.
Like, for instance, security and validation against a SBoM. And that’s why this container shit needs.to.die . But, downvote and move on, and hope by the time you need it the machine that goes ‘beep’ by your hospital bed is built using methods better than “this will look great on my resume.”
This seems reasonable to me?
If you’re running it that way you still can, they’re just not going to accept bug reports or have end user docs anymore. All the developer docs will still cover it.
It’s an open source project and they need to focus their energy on known good configs.
It’s reasonable for an engineering standpoint. Bummer for people who don’t want to run HASSIOS or install HA on an already provisioned system without having to fuck with docker.
Yeah, easiest way to turn me off a project is pushing black box installers. Don’t trust software that tries hiding what its doing.
Well that’s not really an issue since it’s open and you can see what it’s doing anyway.
What turns me off is software that insists on running with unreasonable privileges. Rootless podman containers are the way to go – you can decide the privileges of the user account running the container, and the container image is inspectable (and tweakable if you find something you don’t like). And for the devs, maintaining (just) a container image is way less overhead than managing distribution-specific packages for 5 different package managers and dozens of distributions
Docker is so much easier to fuck with than python
I seem to be unable to wrap my head around Docker. I have one application running through Docker (Immich) but I have no idea how it works. It’s running, and until further notice, I ain’t touching it.
I have Home Assistant running through an instance on my Proxmox server. That I can understand much better than anything Docker.
It’s worth taking the effort to learn if you want to self host stuff. The neat part is once you learn it, you can self host basically anything. Think of a container like a little packaged application that can only interact with the outside world through pathways you give it, either through volume mounts (files) or port mappings (network).
Immich is one of the more complicated and intimidating docker-compose files out there. Try something like glance or miniflux to get a gentler introduction.
So far I’ve created a new ProxMox container for each application I wanted to run. So I have pihole running in an LXC, Nextcloud in another LXC, Audiobookshelf in yet another LXC, Home Assistant in a VM, etc.
I’m sure that could be done more efficiently with Docker, but for some reason that just doesn’t want to click. I don’t know where the applications end up installed at, I don’t know how to configure stuff, nor how to run multiple docker containers on the same machine.
Immich is the first application I have managed to get running full time in Docker, but I’ve already encountered an issue with uploads that I can’t solve, because I have no idea where to find the config files, nor how to restart it. So I’ll leave it as is, for now. Maybe when my brain can get engaged, I can try again.
You might look into Portainer. It gives you a nice GUI to manage docker-compose files, create stacks, edit and update, etc. On my Proxmox server, I have two LXCs set up that run almost all my services like immich, frigate, radarr/sonarr, VPN, qbittorrent, homarr, etc You’ll probably find docker compose much easier to understand than plain docker especially considering there are a million templates out there that you can mostly copy and paste.
Thanks for the tip
Docker is the same thing as executing the runtime of the same program.
WITAF are you even talking about?
From a fuckery standpoint? Docker is way easier, and it works the same way for everything.
It’s literally the same thing as running the app from base repo. There is no “fuckery”. The entrypoint of a container is the same as just running the python runtimes for any project. You have zero idea what you’re talking about.
No it’s not and yes I do you goober. How are dependencies handled in each scenario?
pip install for both. Apparently you are new to 'puters. Go play elsewhere.
Gotta admit, it was a bit difficult to get my head around all the different installation types when I was a new user, so simplification is probably well over due
I jumped through all their hoops for a Supervised Debian 11 install. It was a massive pain in the ass, and they dropped support for 11 back in October. 0/10 would not recommend.
They’ve done this once before and walked it back.
Out of that decision and the backlash came the metrics, so they’d be able to make informed decisions before depreciating something.
Last time, I used Core (IIRC, it wasn’t even called Core back then) and was quite upset. Before they walked it back, I switched to the OS version and don’t really regret it. If their metrics now tell them that core isn’t worth supporting, it probably isn’t, but I definitely understand being upset about it.
It definitely sucks that the system that’s supposed to be about giving users freedom and options is removing some.
ETA: Backups also make this whole thing so much easier now. Back then, backing up and restoring core meant manually copying a bunch of files, but now, it’s a completely different and easier experience.
Wait, does this mean they’re deprecating the docker image?
You didn’t even read the article, did you?
We have deprecated the following installation methods:
Home Assistant Core installation method, where you run your system in a Python environment, not to be confused with Container (for example, running your system in Docker).
Home Assistant’s Supervised installation method, which involves running your own operating system, then installing the Supervisor and other requirements on top of that.
We have deprecated […] Home Assistant’s Supervised installation method, which involves running your own operating system, then installing the Supervisor and other requirements on top of that.
Tell us you can’t architect software like a first-year without using those words. Proper packaging has been out for 30 years.
My foray into self-hosted home automation was set to begin, but if they can’t release software like adults then fuc–uh, good luck to them.
Check out OpenHAB. They already have containers available right on their downloads page.
If you use the image from the Docker repository, that is still supported.
I just switched from that because it is a disorganized mess. no real account system. no custom language per user. authentication is an afterthought the main page loads without logging in. but the dashboard is less capable true: there is not even a thermostat widget that’s anywhere near as what hass has.
wherever I look, hass definitely looks more organized and deliberate. ok, except scripting actions, but that’s it.
also, I don’t understand what corsican wants to say, so maybe we have different needs.
@corsicanguppy
Tell us that you have no idea how many flavors of Linux there are in the wild, each one with its own set of dependencies and bugs without using those words.Nobody is paying Nabu Casa to validate their packages for a gazillion Linux declinations, we rather like them to pay their developers to work for all the users rather than for a 0.01%er with yet another exotic setup.
I’m on supervised install on Ubuntu server. All worked fine for many years, except Supervisor being bitchy about me having Portainer installed for no reason. Last week or so, my machine started acting weird. After reboot I couldn’t access it via local ip, only via external hostname. What keeps happening is after reboot Supervisor creates new network config for my ethernet, that causes this. It uses the network-manager to do this. I have netplan doing the config. Nyone else?
