As a thought exercise: if he succeeded, doesn’t that only further incite the right, convince them that they are fighting the holy fight, and accelerate violence against the citizenry?
I don’t like Trump either so I get the feeling behind the message, but I don’t see any universe where a successful assassination attempt is a net positive for the country. Seems like it only furthers division and probably leads to a worse place overall.
If you see the upcoming civil war as inevitable, then triggering it now would mean the government forces are on our side, and with Trump dead you’d get a bunch of different maga factions the government could sweep up quickly. Now when the civil war begins, Trump will be president, maga will be united behind him, and the government forces will be working FOR them.
I think I agree, but I’d phrase it a bit differently. The problem in our country isn’t division, it’s that there’s an energetic fascist movement that needs to be stopped. The problem with assassinating Trump is that it gives that movement a martyr and would very much energize them (disorganize them too, since they wouldn’t know for sure who to follow anymore, but they’ve never needed to be too organized to do damage and they could do plenty before succession fueled infighting really started to take a toll).
Killing Trump won’t kill his ideas, the only way to do that is to embarrass Trump and Trumpism badly, so I think the best series of events would be a) Trump loses the election, b) prosecutors explain Trump’s many crimes in meticulous detail to a series of juries who sentence Trump to years and years behind bars, c) Trump dies of a heart attack while taking a shit in prison.
The fact that the voters already did a) once in 2020 and the system’s let us down on b) is deeply frustrating and worth acknowledging for the sake of identifying the country’s underlying problems (it’s the politicians and lawyers more than it is the voters), but it doesn’t change the fact that assassinating Trump is the last thing we want to do at this point.
further incite the right, convince them that they are fighting the holy fight, and accelerate violence against the citizenry?
Literally already happening.
How anyone can think that rolling over and playing dead while fascists stomp their way in to (more) power is a better way to “fight” them, than, I don’t know, actually fighting them, is honestly mind blowing.
Check your privilege, the fact that you aren’t impacted by their ongoing war, doesn’t mean no one else is.
And what IS my privilege internet stranger? I’m making a good faith argument on the internet that you disagree with, but I’m a stranger to you and you have no idea of what my daily life looks like or how much privilege I have or do not have.
I appreciate the disagreement, but I don’t appreciate assumptions of what kind of fucking castle I live in or how isolated I am from current events or political violence.
I feel like somehow this assessment focuses heavily on speculation and ignores a very key fact in that scenario. Trump would no longer be able to be president. And we don’t really know what violence they’d commit exactly. I think it’s pretty sure there would be violence… But why are you assuming it would be widespread and against innocent people? And again it’s like Trump being gone is not even worth mentioning
If I were Hitler-level evil, and wanted minions to carry out my diabolical schemes of murder and mayhem, you’d be exactly the type of person I’d look for to help with such things
He did (at least) one good thing in life, and people feel the need to smear him…
As a thought exercise: if he succeeded, doesn’t that only further incite the right, convince them that they are fighting the holy fight, and accelerate violence against the citizenry?
I don’t like Trump either so I get the feeling behind the message, but I don’t see any universe where a successful assassination attempt is a net positive for the country. Seems like it only furthers division and probably leads to a worse place overall.
Would love to know how I’m wrong though.
If you see the upcoming civil war as inevitable, then triggering it now would mean the government forces are on our side, and with Trump dead you’d get a bunch of different maga factions the government could sweep up quickly. Now when the civil war begins, Trump will be president, maga will be united behind him, and the government forces will be working FOR them.
You assume I would think you’re wrong. I do not.
Morally, assassination is despicable. But so is fascism.
I applaud you for taking the high road, while I just say Fuck ‘em all. Fascism should not be tolerated, even in a democracy.
Ah yes, the high road, the best know cure for and deterrent of fascism… 🙄
Could be if we toss all the fascists off
True…
Though an “it” at the end of that sentence would have gone a long way to reduce my initial confusion lmao😂
To toss off
I think I agree, but I’d phrase it a bit differently. The problem in our country isn’t division, it’s that there’s an energetic fascist movement that needs to be stopped. The problem with assassinating Trump is that it gives that movement a martyr and would very much energize them (disorganize them too, since they wouldn’t know for sure who to follow anymore, but they’ve never needed to be too organized to do damage and they could do plenty before succession fueled infighting really started to take a toll).
Killing Trump won’t kill his ideas, the only way to do that is to embarrass Trump and Trumpism badly, so I think the best series of events would be a) Trump loses the election, b) prosecutors explain Trump’s many crimes in meticulous detail to a series of juries who sentence Trump to years and years behind bars, c) Trump dies of a heart attack while taking a shit in prison.
The fact that the voters already did a) once in 2020 and the system’s let us down on b) is deeply frustrating and worth acknowledging for the sake of identifying the country’s underlying problems (it’s the politicians and lawyers more than it is the voters), but it doesn’t change the fact that assassinating Trump is the last thing we want to do at this point.
Literally already happening.
How anyone can think that rolling over and playing dead while fascists stomp their way in to (more) power is a better way to “fight” them, than, I don’t know, actually fighting them, is honestly mind blowing.
Check your privilege, the fact that you aren’t impacted by their ongoing war, doesn’t mean no one else is.
And what IS my privilege internet stranger? I’m making a good faith argument on the internet that you disagree with, but I’m a stranger to you and you have no idea of what my daily life looks like or how much privilege I have or do not have.
I appreciate the disagreement, but I don’t appreciate assumptions of what kind of fucking castle I live in or how isolated I am from current events or political violence.
I feel like somehow this assessment focuses heavily on speculation and ignores a very key fact in that scenario. Trump would no longer be able to be president. And we don’t really know what violence they’d commit exactly. I think it’s pretty sure there would be violence… But why are you assuming it would be widespread and against innocent people? And again it’s like Trump being gone is not even worth mentioning
I’ve been saying for eight years he’d be more dangerous as a martyr than his stupid alive self.
If I were Hitler-level evil, and wanted minions to carry out my diabolical schemes of murder and mayhem, you’d be exactly the type of person I’d look for to help with such things
It doesn’t require Hitler-level Evil. Just pragmatism.