The Article.

As far as the mod action here go, it signals that this is not a place for actual discussion and shareworthy news.

They are proving that their community is not for learning news and seeing stuff you would not otherwise had know it. This is a community to share only the things we all know/believe in.

The article is by CNN based on about 80 pages report by Dinah Project and shared and discussed by other outlets:

And other outlets.

The conclusion for me here is clear.

          • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            3 days ago

            Oh, look… hasbara just can’t stop being butthurt because people weren’t tolerating their white supremacist propaganda.

            • Pro@reddthat.comOP
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              3 days ago

              Don’t break your arm stroking yourself, bro.

              Enjoy it, alone.

              I rather live in the real world.

  • Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)@lemmings.world
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    3 days ago

    YDI. the claims you made are either debunked or lack sufficient evidence (source) I’m not too familiar with AP News but I do know the other three sources you listed are known for promoting IDF / Israel propaganda

    • Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      3 days ago

      Associated Press is usually good. It’s US based but it’s usually unbiased and just reports facts. Their reporters were banned from entering the American presidential jet and palace almost as soon as Trump took office, so that should give an idea as to where AP’s loyalties lay.

  • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 days ago

    YDW, you should be fucking banned for trying to excuse genocide.

    All those sources are knowm to lie for zionist propaganda. Take your hazbara lies elsewhere. The sea, perhaps, as you walk into it?

    I genuinely think better of /worldnews for removing this. The fact they didn’t ban you for advocating violence is evidence they’re still licking boot though.

      • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        4 days ago

        The first question to ask, a basic of media literacy, is “is this feasible”. October 7th was an extensively planned and time-sensitive operation for everyone involved. When you’re conducting a surprise attack on multiple fronts, against an enemy that has immensely superior weaponry, surveillance, communications, and numbers to your own, every second matters. When every second matters, you can’t just take minutes to SA someone. Shooting someone who’s a threat? Quite possibly. Butremoved makes no sense in this situation.

        The second question to ask is “what are the interests of parties involved and does the news make sense in their context”. From the accomplishment of the operation, taking hostages for bargaining purposes, it is clear that this was the main objective, with secondary objectives being to strike military installations, dispel the sense of Israeli invulnerability, and bring the plight of Palestinians to the forefront of global awareness. Trying to SA someone is counter to all these objectives: when you SA someone, they become a less cooperative hostage, you make yourself vulnerable, you lose out on options to take more hostages or hit more military targets, and you lose favor in the public eye.

        The third question is “what is the power balance, and who has the ability to shape media narratives”. Israel is known to have a massive media spin apparatus, employing thousands if not tens of thousands of people. These allegations ofremoved serve the powerful against the powerless. Israel stands to gain from them, and Palestine stands to lose some of its goodwill.

        Another approach is to look at other things that correlate with the story. We heard claims of massremoveds and claims of “40 beheaded babies” in the same breath from Israeli sources. There was never any images or other evidence provided of the beheadings (which also fail the other tests above), despite being lied about even by US government officials. We also have testimony of October 7th survivors describing how their captors were stern but respectful, and testimony of hostages saying how Hamas and their allies took a very arrogant pride in treating their captives “like good Muslims should”. Finally, on the other side of the illegal security partition, we have Israeli prisons, where people are held for years without being convicted and whereremoved and torture of detainees are commonplace. The public support for this is so firm that Israelis rioted against their military police doing an investigation of prison guardremoveds at Sde Teiman, a particularly notorious facility. We have a regime that is under strain, and needs every PR victory to marshal its society into the war of extermination, in order to avoid the coming of its own reckoning.

        The IDF itself leads with the line “we are at war, and atrocities happen in war”. The united resistance makes appeals to standards for rules of engagement. It’s impossible to refute beyond a doubt whether anyremoved may have happened that day, but by and large, the orders and ambitions were not to do so. In comparison to other armed conflicts that ran across civilians, it seems highly likely that the incidence ofremoved from 10-7/Al-Aqsa Flood is much lower than average.

        In this age of deepfakes and filter bubbles, answering these questions can take you a long way. This is the difference between critical thinking about media versus credulously accepting something that is stamped with a recognizable logo, and treating reality as an inconceivably long list of independently-assessable events rather than manifestations of broad patterns.

        I’m sure Radio Mille-Collines had lots of official journalistical content talking about massremoveds just like the Dinah Project does. Would you give them credibility too?

        I’m not going to say anything about deserving posts getting removed or not, but between falling for propaganda lies and punching down, you should be ashamed of yourself.

      • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        4 days ago

        It is those who make a claim who has the burden to prove it. It is not everybody else’s job to disprove them. The Zionists’ have failed to present any proof for these racist claims that convinces independent observers

        Zionist terrorist organisations are notoriously untrustworthy sources (Beheaded babies, kHamas command centres under hospitals, Iran being just about to have nukes).

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.socialEnglish
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    6 days ago

    Israeli reports.

    They are currently trying to ethnically cleanse a whole other group of people. I would take any reports they made about the group they are trying to exterminate with a very large grain of salt.

    • Pro@reddthat.comOP
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      6 days ago

      Newly created account

      LOL

      makes drama when called out for being an apologist for a genocidal entity

      Where exactly was I " an apologist for a genocidal entity" ?

  • limer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    6 days ago

    I normally hate on world news, in fact I have blocked it for quite a while out of disgust.

    But this is a correct call, they did good here. The source is bad, it’s widely known to be propaganda, and its uncritical spread by USA mainstream media is a seen as a massive failure of journalistic integrity.

    In other words, if the world news mods see this as a bridge too far, then other pro Israeli people should use caution when passing this blindly.

    If one wants to know more about the hostages and what they suffered, read independent Israeli media instead.

  • masterofn001@lemmy.ca
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    6 days ago

    I chatgpt’d some things to provide some context:

    The Dinah Project is backed by a combination of academic, legal, and nonprofit organizations, with notable support from the following:

    1. Bar-Ilan University: The project operates under the auspices of the Ruth and Emanuel Rackman Center for the Advancement of Women at Bar-Ilan University in Israel. This center is led by Professor Ruth Halperin-Kaddari, who is a prominent women’s rights activist and law professor.

    2. Key Individuals: The project is spearheaded by a team of legal and gender experts, including:

      • Ruth Halperin-Kaddari: Director of the Rackman Center.
      • Sharon Zagagi-Pinhas: A lawyer and former chief military prosecutor in the Israel Defense Forces.
      • Nava Ben-Or: A former judge and deputy attorney general specializing in sexual abuse cases.

    3. Funding Sources: The project has received partial funding from the British government and various Jewish nonprofit organizations. This financial support indicates a level of institutional backing that lends credibility to its initiatives.

    4. International Advocacy: The Dinah Project has engaged with international bodies, including the United Nations, to advocate for recognition of sexual violence as a weapon of war and to push for accountability for perpetrators. It has conducted briefings with political leaders and has sought to influence international policy regarding sexual violence in conflict.

    5. Public Support and Fundraising: The project has launched fundraising efforts through platforms like JustGiving, indicating community support and engagement in its mission to seek justice for victims of sexual violence.

    Conclusion

    The Dinah Project is supported by a network of academic and legal professionals, backed by institutional funding and advocacy efforts. This combination of support from reputable organizations and individuals suggests that it is a legitimate initiative aimed at addressing serious issues of sexual violence in conflict, rather than a mere propaganda effort. However, the political context and the reactions to its findings may influence perceptions of its legitimacy.

    The Dinah Project’s focus on documenting and prosecuting sexual violence as a weapon of war in the context of the October 7, 2023, attacks by Hamas is significant for several reasons, but it also raises important questions about the broader context of accountability for all parties involved in the conflict, including the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Here are some key points to consider:

    Importance of the Dinah Project

    1. Highlighting Sexual Violence in Conflict: The Dinah Project aims to bring attention to the use of sexual violence as a tactic in warfare, which is often underreported and overlooked. By focusing on this issue, the project seeks to ensure that victims’ voices are heard and that such crimes are recognized as serious violations of international law.

    2. Legal Framework: The project operates within a legal framework that seeks to hold perpetrators accountable for crimes against humanity. By documenting these crimes, it aims to create a basis for legal action and international recognition of the issue.

    3. Victim Advocacy: The Dinah Project emphasizes the need for justice for victims of sexual violence, advocating for their rights and support. This focus on victim advocacy is crucial in any conflict where such crimes occur.

    Concerns About Accountability

    1. Perceptions of Bias: Critics may argue that focusing on Hamas while overlooking or downplaying allegations of sexual violence by the IDF creates a perception of bias. This can lead to questions about the project’s impartiality and its commitment to addressing all instances of sexual violence in the conflict.

    2. IDF Accountability: There are ongoing debates about the accountability of the IDF for alleged crimes, including sexual violence. Some argue that these allegations are not adequately investigated or prosecuted, leading to a sense of impunity. This lack of accountability can undermine trust in the justice system and the legitimacy of efforts like the Dinah Project.

    3. Complexity of the Conflict: The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is deeply complex, with historical, political, and social dimensions that complicate discussions about accountability. Efforts to address crimes committed by one side can be perceived as politically motivated if they do not also address crimes by the other side.

    Conclusion

    The Dinah Project plays a crucial role in highlighting and addressing sexual violence in conflict, particularly in the context of the recent attacks by Hamas. However, its importance is tempered by the need for a comprehensive approach to accountability that includes all parties involved in the conflict. Addressing allegations of sexual violence by the IDF is essential for fostering a sense of justice and fairness in the pursuit of accountability for all victims of violence in the region. Balancing these narratives is vital for a holistic understanding of the conflict and the pursuit of justice.

    The issue of sexual violence by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) against Palestinians is a serious and complex topic that has been documented by various human rights organizations and reports. Here’s a summary of key details regarding allegations of sexual violence by the IDF, particularly in the context of the recent conflict and the timeframe relevant to the Dinah Project:

    Context and Allegations

    1. Historical Background: Allegations of sexual violence by the IDF against Palestinians have been reported for many years, particularly during military operations in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. These allegations often include instances of sexual assault, harassment, and humiliation.

    2. Recent Conflicts: In the wake of the October 7, 2023, attacks by Hamas, there have been renewed concerns about the treatment of Palestinian civilians, including reports of sexual violence. The escalation of violence has led to increased scrutiny of military conduct and the treatment of detainees.

    3. Human Rights Reports: Various human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, have documented instances of sexual violence and abuse by Israeli forces. Reports often highlight:

      • Sexual Assault: Allegations of sexual assault against Palestinian detainees, particularly during arrests or interrogations.
      • Humiliation Tactics: Use of sexual humiliation as a tactic during military operations, including forced nudity and degrading treatment.
      • Impact on Women and Girls: Women and girls in conflict zones are particularly vulnerable to sexual violence, and reports indicate that they face heightened risks during military operations.

    4. Legal and Institutional Responses: There have been calls for accountability and justice for victims of sexual violence. However, many reports indicate that investigations into such allegations by the IDF are often insufficient, leading to a perception of impunity. Victims may face significant barriers to reporting incidents, including fear of retaliation and lack of trust in the legal system.

    5. International Attention: The issue of sexual violence in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has garnered international attention, with calls for independent investigations and accountability for all parties involved. The Dinah Project’s focus on sexual violence as a weapon of war aligns with these broader calls for justice.

    Conclusion

    The allegations of sexual violence by the IDF against Palestinians are a critical aspect of the broader human rights concerns in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The timeframe relevant to the Dinah Project, particularly following the October 7, 2023, attacks, highlights the urgent need for accountability and justice for victims of sexual violence. Addressing these allegations is essential for fostering a comprehensive understanding of the conflict and ensuring that all victims receive the support and justice they deserve.

      • TʜᴇʀᴀᴘʏGⒶʀʏ⁽ᵗʰᵉʸ‘ᵗʰᵉᵐ⁾@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        6 days ago

        I ChadGPT’d a summary of it

        ok so the dinah project is this super shady operation run by lawyer types who think theyre spies or something and theyre trying to solve this huge mystery of who did what during some fight and its all very suspicious

        heres the thing

        • its led by these hardcore legal geeks who probably spend more time arguing about parking tickets than actual crimes and they think theyre above everyone else with their law degrees and stuff
        • funded by these mysterious groups who probably just want to look good or get free coffee or something
        • claims to be all about stopping sexual violence in war but really its just a big blame game and a way to stir up drama
        • they go around talking to the un and other big shots but nobody really knows if theyre trying to fix anything or just cause more problems
        • people give them money and it all goes to fancy reports and powerpoint presentations that nobody really reads

        so heres my take

        basically the dinah project is just a big show with a lot of money and fancy words but does it actually do anything or is it just fueling more political bs who knows and thats the problem with all these so called humanitarian groups they just want to look good and get funding but they dont actually care about solving anything

  • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    6 days ago

    Clearly overreach by the mods LW World News. I am honestly surprised deleted the article.

    IMO CNN is not the best source, BBC or AP would have been better, but that doesn’t mean one should automatically delete anything from CNN.

      • Skiluros@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        6 days ago

        I wouldn’t go that far. They may have a bias on this issue, but you can hardly call them a Zionist front.

        Trying reading news in russian (by russians). That’s what I call an imperialist front, even allegedly liberal, independent russian media occasionally crack and go on pro-imperialist rants.

        There was is a famous opposition TV channel (banned in russia since Feb 2022) were the presenter suddenly went on a rant about “how we need to help our poor boys [the invading russian military]”.

        It’s all a matter of context and frame of reference. :)

    • rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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      6 days ago

      BBC who refused to show two documentaries about gaza suffering and the leadership pushing journalists to spread israeli propaganda ?

    • SheeEttin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      6 days ago

      It was removed not because the media source was unreliable, but because of the report source.

  • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    6 days ago

    This bullshit has been debunked dozens of times every time this genocide apologia is brought up. Why are you posting Nazi Zionist lies?

  • SheeEttin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    6 days ago

    Yes, an independent investigation source would be preferred. This was removed because the investigators were not independent.