You mean Bush? The meltdown happened before the election. By the time Obama got in office his choices were to finish the plan in place, or create even worse short term upheaval by changing plans.
True. I forgot. Democrats can’t just stop Republican policies when they have full control. Only Republicans can stop Democrat policies. And Obama executing the Bush plan to bail out all the banks and brutally surpress occupy wall street was not his fault. My bad.
You’re right this makes it better. Trump using the national guard to arrest 1 (one) protester is what crossed the line for me. It’s not about abuse of violence to violate the right to protest and protect the billionaire class. What matters is that Trump did a thing very slightly differently.
I mean, you had a point about the bailouts. I just don’t think you can blame the suppression of Occupy Wall Street protestors on Obama himself. He wasn’t the only neoliberal in charge in 2011. Sure, the FBI and DHS were keeping tabs, but it was the NYPD that did the violent suppression, under orders from Mayor Bloomberg.
In that case Obama as a person was more responsible than Trump who signs whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him. Trump isn’t responsible for anything then. His GOP lobby can be blamed and he can be absolved.
Tbf to the previous poster, the Republican party is great at setting up sabotaging and impossible choices for when a democrat is elected. E.G. the tax bill TACO passed in his first term that was set to raise taxes for all people making under 75k in 2025. E.G.2 The troop widthdraw plan in the Middle East that had no preparation done before Biden came to office and all those munitions were left behind.
On your point though, yeah the Dems are beyond completely incompetent each time they have one of those situations. It’d be nice if they stopped pretending politeness and passivity was the same as having good morals.
The last time a non-change candidate won a presidential election in the US was 2004. No president since Obama has had enough of a majority in congress to enact meaningful change, and it was squandered. It’s not entirely his fault, but as the leader of the democrats at the time he takes the plurality of responsibility. The ACA started off as an change that could have fixed healthcare in the US but got watered down into propping up a fundamentally broken system.
Trying to deflect a politicians legitimate failures as racism or sexism is so Democrat it hurts.
Leaders move masses. Look at Lincoln, look at either Roosevelt (who didn’t even come from the working class). They had a vision and they pulled the country towards that vision. I refuse to believe that out of 350million of us there aren’t a couple people capable of being real leaders. ‘we don’t have the votes’ - so get them. Bernie Sanders was polling at less than 1% when he entered the race against Clinton, and he nearly beat her by building a movement. The reason they don’t have the votes is because they don’t want them. They don’t actually believe in progressive policies.
Less infighting and more pushing things forward would have been great too. Playing for reelection is a loosing position; I want to see more aggression with policy change.
Mamdani: It’s about the policies
Democrats: Gee whiz, you ran such a good campaign
Voters: It’s about the policies
Democrats: Gosh, if only centrists could find such a charismatic guy.
They think everyone but them is so stupid. It’s infuriating that the system is set up so we’re forced to work with these twats.
The Overton window has moved so far right that the DNC only has humorless executives and dead faced lawyers left as candidates.
I think you mean right
Because of Obama I had health insurance. Because of Obama I was not in medical bankruptcy.
But then again that was almost 10 YEARS AGO. Blaming an black American man for White Backlash is so American it hurts.
Because of Obama the banks got bailed out.
You mean Bush? The meltdown happened before the election. By the time Obama got in office his choices were to finish the plan in place, or create even worse short term upheaval by changing plans.
True. I forgot. Democrats can’t just stop Republican policies when they have full control. Only Republicans can stop Democrat policies. And Obama executing the Bush plan to bail out all the banks and brutally surpress occupy wall street was not his fault. My bad.
I might be misremembering, but did Obama federalise the national guard to suppress the protestors? Or was it just the NYPD…
The specific uniform of the thugs brutalising protestors is really not the important part.
It kind of is when you’re criticising someone for it? There are plenty of valid criticisms of Obama.
You’re right this makes it better. Trump using the national guard to arrest 1 (one) protester is what crossed the line for me. It’s not about abuse of violence to violate the right to protest and protect the billionaire class. What matters is that Trump did a thing very slightly differently.
I mean, you had a point about the bailouts. I just don’t think you can blame the suppression of Occupy Wall Street protestors on Obama himself. He wasn’t the only neoliberal in charge in 2011. Sure, the FBI and DHS were keeping tabs, but it was the NYPD that did the violent suppression, under orders from Mayor Bloomberg.
In that case Obama as a person was more responsible than Trump who signs whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him. Trump isn’t responsible for anything then. His GOP lobby can be blamed and he can be absolved.
Tbf to the previous poster, the Republican party is great at setting up sabotaging and impossible choices for when a democrat is elected. E.G. the tax bill TACO passed in his first term that was set to raise taxes for all people making under 75k in 2025. E.G.2 The troop widthdraw plan in the Middle East that had no preparation done before Biden came to office and all those munitions were left behind.
On your point though, yeah the Dems are beyond completely incompetent each time they have one of those situations. It’d be nice if they stopped pretending politeness and passivity was the same as having good morals.
The last time a non-change candidate won a presidential election in the US was 2004. No president since Obama has had enough of a majority in congress to enact meaningful change, and it was squandered. It’s not entirely his fault, but as the leader of the democrats at the time he takes the plurality of responsibility. The ACA started off as an change that could have fixed healthcare in the US but got watered down into propping up a fundamentally broken system.
Trying to deflect a politicians legitimate failures as racism or sexism is so Democrat it hurts.
Leaders move masses. Look at Lincoln, look at either Roosevelt (who didn’t even come from the working class). They had a vision and they pulled the country towards that vision. I refuse to believe that out of 350million of us there aren’t a couple people capable of being real leaders. ‘we don’t have the votes’ - so get them. Bernie Sanders was polling at less than 1% when he entered the race against Clinton, and he nearly beat her by building a movement. The reason they don’t have the votes is because they don’t want them. They don’t actually believe in progressive policies.
He should have ripped heaven from earth for that supreme court seat.
Less infighting and more pushing things forward would have been great too. Playing for reelection is a loosing position; I want to see more aggression with policy change.
This is a bullshit talking point.
Obama was full of shit. Fuck neoliberals
He can have done some good and still have been bad overall.
Barack… Obama? Oh! You mean Captain Drone Strikes?