AI was never meant to benefit the working class in any capacity.
Its a great rule of thumb that if you see oligarchs hype up something and push for it to be everywhere, its a BAD fucking thing.
Meanwhile the average CEOs decision making could be replaced by a goldfish in a tank with some arbitrary object detection code.
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Resource drain of LLMs inescapably makes them tools availiable only to big players. They are ideal in the way they are naturally gated. Making them mandatory == giving these select companies and people power over everything. And not only oligarchs’ promotion, but the whole situation of them being given for free or cheap at a huge loss gives one an idea that there’s a lot to milk from it’s growing adoption.
But that’s completely not true! Like, not a single thing you said is even slightly correct!
LLMs are relatively cheap to run - at small scales. You can run an LLM on your own computer right now. It won’t be super fast, it won’t have super skills, but you can run it, and you can train it yourself.
Massive LLMs like ChatGPT require tremendous resources precisely because they are not just tools available only to big players. Everybody on the planet has access to them - for free. The only actual difference there is between running an LLM locally and through a provider is that you get better speed and (sometimes, depending on context) better training through a provider.
As for “there’s a lot to milk from its growing adoption” - maybe? Probably? Who knows? That’s the “magic” of the AI bubble we’re experiencing right now - the big players keep saying that it will “make work and money obsolete”, that “anyone will be able to do anything”, that “a time of post-scarcity approaches”, and a billion other bullshit marketing slogans like that. But the reality is that nobody has yet figured out how to make money on that thing.
Right now, the only reason it’s “growing”, is because of the weird and probably illegal circular financing that’s going on at the very top - Nvidia invests in OpenAI, which invests in Oracle, which invests in Nvidia - and so on. No money is actually being made or (often) even changing hands, but everyone can now show they’ve received a lot of investment which pumps up their stock prices. The only reason this hasn’t popped yet is probably because the main investing parties are using tonnes of cash they had stored.
Growing adoption means nothing. It’s a marketing tool for them to keep shareholders happy while they keep a literal investing circlejerk going, every now and again inviting another player into the fold.
I view AI to be like the internet: Most corporate players won’t survive the bubble, but the ones that do, will be incredibly influential. Ordinary people made great use of the internet - but failed to make it really decentralized. Thus the enshittification of Reddit, Youtube, social media, and so forth.
We can choose to embrace local LLM that is fully under our control, or cede ownership to the 1% forevermore.
Ordinary people made great use of the internet - but failed to make it really decentralized. Thus the enshittification of Reddit, Youtube, social media, and so forth
I don’t think one is related to the other.
Decentralisation doesn’t affect enshittification that much. Look at Lemmy and Fediverse in general - it’s federated… so what? The .world instance is by far the largest in the Fediverse. If the mods there go insane, like they did on Reddit, or if the admins decide to add monetisation to it… it just happens. There being other servers changes nothing for the users stuck on the .world server. Sure, they can create new accounts elsewhere, but that’s - in principle - no different than switching from Reddit to Lemmy.
On the other hand, look at Steam. Valve, the creators of Steam, has no “decentralisation” of their product, they’re the god emperor of everything in terms of how Steam operates. At face value, it’s the same exact product as, I don’t know, the Epic Store, and yet Steam is loved by gamers, while Epic is hated.
No, you can have centralised and not enshittified services just fine - as long as the goal is to provide the service, instead of “creating value for the shareholders”. As soon as that element comes in, there’s no stopping enshittification.
We can choose to embrace local LLM that is fully under our control, or cede ownership to the 1% forevermore.
Agreed.
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Your private LLM will have nothing to compete against the big guys though. A cute hobby project but nothing of economic value.
You’re not training it from scratch, though. There are people, enthusiasts, doing it for you. I can fire up LM Studio and browse through thousands of models to then have a conversation with, or have them write stories, etc., etc.
As for “nothing of economic value” - that’s, again, just plain misunderstanding what AI can be used for. Corridor Crew - a VFX team publishing on YouTube - used self-trained AI to boost their film making options. For example, to copy the “bullet time” effect from The Matrix, they were able to use around a dozen cameras instead of hundreds, and then used AI to create the “in between” frames.
How does that have “no economic value”, mate?
Right, spend all this time to self train a hobby model for one specific scenario which “Big LLM” would deliver by the time you’re back from lunch.
This illusion that plebs can easily use personal LLMs is the argument that AI companies will use to justify why they shouldn’t be reigned in or held accountable for their impact on society and economy.
I love how you completely ignored everything I said, and then reiterated your misguided point.
It’s good that you love that because you had no point. A bunch of people achieving one single specific outcome is not competing with anyone.
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They believe they can put an end to having to pay for labor in any capacity ever again. If I knew less than I did about how this AI works I would be worried.
Or if I worked in entertainment.
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I knew there was something wrong when we started getting positive metrics based on how much we leveraged AI.
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Of course, AI is going to be used as another layer of control.
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I recently started my own AI factory , the passive income is great. All you need is a grease and soldering gun. Thanks Nvidia , I never have to work again.
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Translation, Micron is shutting down Crucial for short term shareholder value at the cost of a sustainable and proven long term brand and channel.
They will return to the market with a new brand once the bubble bursts.
It’s not just for shareholder value, like a downsize or stock buyback would achieve. This will literally fill their coffers to the brim faster than staying in the consumer market. Also the consumer market won’t go away anytime soon and there are very few competitors to begin with. They can just return to the consumer market once the AI bubble has burst like nothing has changed. Only difference is they will have way more money in the bank than if they never left.
this seems incredibly short sighted… the current situation exists because there is a large amount of infrastructure and data centres being built. once that infrastructure is built, the demand will return to normal… OR once the bubble bursts, the market will be flooded with used ram from failed data centres… aliexpress will be selling ram at a dollar a gig when all these data centres flop
The only people who believe in infinite growth in a finite world are mad men and economists.
But you repeat yourself.
As someone who does AI and gaming as hobbies, I look forward to a corporate bubble popping. Being able to max out an EPYC or Threadripper Pro’s DDR5 capacity would be awesome. :)
I have a couple open slots in my rack waiting for the day.
I don’t think the bubble will burst like we are used to. AI is part of the arms race between nations. So they will shore the industry up at all costs.
As for the choice to shut down the brand. It will be years before all that infra gets built. Better to sit the time out and revive the brand when prices are reasonable enough that hobbyists and such are willing to pay them.The unfortunate part for DIY PC is that the RAM is likely all buffered ECC. And used flash is sketchy in my experience, even if you buy SLC where the whole point is supposed to be that it is more durable.
Yeah but you have a company that has people to pay and rent to pay etc. If they don’t have enough liquid money to handle it then well here we are
Edit: so I wanted to edit this because if anybody still sees it I was very very wrong. I was not aware of that crucial was owned by micron. I did not realize what was actually happening and Micron can pretty much go f itself
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So their not shutting down, just focusing on AI idiots until the bubble busts and then they will turn back to consumers…
Rules of Acquisition #1,261-- Always fuck over the idiots in the market. And when you’ve taken all their money, go back to your base with inflated prices.
Capitalism strikes again.
Fuck AI.
Guess when people ask me what ram do I need for X device I won’t be telling them to use crucial anymore to figure it out.
I won’t be telling them to use crucial anymore
We yes, because eventually the supply would wind down.
I just installed a 4TB nvme Crucial SSD in my new build solely to put games on.
I’m sure they will come crawling back to consumers after the AI bubble bursts.
I had to look it up. The RAM I bought 12 months ago for $99 is now $350. This is insane.
My ddr4 now costs more than I bought it for originally. This after having dipped below $70 for 32GB. Now it’s over 300.
My RAM (32GB 6000 CL30) i bought at a price drop for 79$ a year ago now costs 500$
Business don’t care about consumers because nowadays business sell to other business
Shits wild the same ram I bought over a year ago is 400% more for half the amount of GB.
My 5-year-old mainboard only supports DDR4. I’m just looking to increase my RAM and have two free slots available. But even the prices of DDR4 sticks have increased 100%-200% compared to a year ago.
They are more affordable than DDR5 sticks to be sure but still crazy.
Oh man
!Technological Implosion imminent, please stand clear!
Since nobody can afford memory, this means mainboards and cases will get cheaper, right?
China might dominate the ram market if things go this way:
https://m.made-in-china.com/hot-china-products/Ram_Memory.html
Might as well become a reseller lol
