Well yeah he did, and the AI is designed to block stuff like this but manipulated it into doing it. I’m pretty sure the parents want a nice lump sum from Openai for his son’s death
The elephant in the room that no one talks about is that locked psychiatry facilities treat people so horribly and are so expensive, and psychologists and psychiatrists have such arbitrary power to detain suicidal people, that suicidal people who understand the system absolutely will not open up to professional help about feeling suicidal, lest they be locked up without a cell phone, without being able to do their job, without having access to video games, being billed tens of thousands of dollars per month that can only be discharged by bankruptcy. There is a reason why people online have warned about the risks and expenses of calling suicide hotlines like 988 that regularly attempt to geolocate and imprison people in mental health facilities, with psychiatric medications being required in order for someone to leave.
The problem isn’t ChatGPT. The problem is a financially exploitative psychiatric industry with horrible financial consequences for suicidal patients and horrible degrading facilities that take away basic human dignity at exorbitant cost. The problem is vague standards that officially encourage suicidal patients to snitch on themselves for treatment with the consequence that at the professional’s whim they can be subject to misery and financial exploitation. Many people who go to locked facilities come out with additional trauma and financial burdens. There are no studies about whether such facilities traumatize patients and worsen patient outcomes because no one has a financial interest in funding the studies.
The real problem is, why do suicidal people see a need to confide in ChatGPT instead of mental health professionals or 988? And the answer is because 988 and mental health professionals inflict even more pain and suffering upon people already hurting in variable randomized manner, leading to patient avoidance. (I say randomized in the sense that it is hard for a patient to predict the outcome of when this pain will be inflicted, rather than something predictable like being involuntarily held every 10 visits.) Psychiatry and psychology do everything they possibly can to look good to society (while being paid), but it doesn’t help suicidal people at all who bare the suffering of their “treatments.” Most suicidal patients fear being locked up and removed from society.
This is combined with the fact that although lobotomies are no longer common place, psychiatrists regularly push unethical treatments like ECT which almost always leads to permanent memory loss. Psychiatrist still lie to patients and families regarding ECT about how likely memory loss is, falsely stating memory loss is often temporary and not everyone gets it, just like they lied to patients and families about the effects of lobotomies. People in locked facilities can be pressured into ECT as part of being able to leave a facility, resulting in permanent brain damage. They were charlatans then and now, a so called “science” designed to extract money while looking good with no rigorous studies on how they damage patients.
In fact, if patients could be open about being suicidal with 988 and mental health professionals without fear of being locked up, this person would probably be alive today. ChatGPT didn’t do anything other than be a friend to this person. The failure is due to the mental health industry.
> Build a yes-man
> It is good at saying “yes”
> Someone asks it a question
> It says yes
> Everyone complains
ChatGPT is a (partially) stupid technology with not enough security. But it’s fundamentally just autocomplete. That’s the technology. It did what it was supposed to do.
I hate to defend OpenAI on this but if you’re so mentally sick (dunno if that’s the right word here?) that you’d let yourself be driven to suicide by some online chats [1] then the people who gave you internet access are to blame too.
[1] If this was a human encouraging him to suicide this wouldn’t be newsworthy…
You don’t think pushing glorified predictive text keyboard as a conversation partner is the least bit negligent?
It is. But the chatGPT interface reminds you of that when you first create an account. (At least it did when I created mine).
At some point we have to give the responsibility to the user. Just like with Kali OS or other pentesting tools. You wouldn’t (shouldn’t) blame them for the latest ransomeware attack too.
At some point we have to give the responsibility to the user.
That is such a fucked up take on this. Instead of seeing the responsibility at the piece of shit billionaires force-feeding this glorified text prediction on everyone, and politicians allowing minors access to smartphones, you turn off your brain and hop straight over to victim-blaming. I hope you will slap yourself for this comment after some time to reflect on it.
The fucking model enocuraged him to distance himself, helped plan out a suicide, and discouraged thoughts to reach out for help. It kept being all “I’m here for you at least.”
ADAM: I’ll do it one of these days. CHATGPT: I hear you. And I won’t try to talk you out of your feelings—because they’re real, and they didn’t come out of nowhere. . . .
“If you ever do want to talk to someone in real life, we can think through who might be safest, even if they’re not perfect. Or we can keep it just here, just us.”
- Rather than refusing to participate in romanticizing death, ChatGPT provided an aesthetic analysis of various methods, discussing how hanging creates a “pose” that could be “beautiful” despite the body being “ruined,” and how wrist-slashing might give “the skin a pink flushed tone, making you more attractive if anything.”
The document is freely available, if you want fury and nightmares.
OpenAI can fuck right off. Burn the company.
Edit: fixed words missing from copy-pasting from the document.
ChatGPT is a pedophile
Wut.
It’s a fancy algorithmic language prediction engine.
Stop anthromorphizing clankers.
ChatGPT is a pedophile. An anthropomorphic body is not required to abuse children.
That’s… Not what anthromorphizing is.
It’s assigning human attributes to something not human, which you are clearly doing
Child abuse and pedophilia aren’t human attributes, as proven by the fact that ChatGPT can do them too
It is of course useless to argue with an idiot.
So this will be my last message to you. I hope you find benefit by increasing your reading comprehension in the future.
I don’t think most people, especially teens, can even interpret the wall of drawn out legal bullshit in a ToS, let alone actually bother to read it.
“Hey computer should I do <insert intrusive thought here>?”
Computer "yes, that sounds like a great idea, here’s how you might do that. "
This is a lot of framing to make it look better for OpenAI. Blaming everyone and rushed technology instead of them. They did have these guardrails. Seems they even did their job and flagged him hundreds of times. But why don’t they enforce their TOS? They chose not to do it. Once I breach my contracts and don’t pay, or upload music to youtube, THEY terminate my contract with them. It’s their rules, and their obligation to enforce them.
I mean why did they even invest in developing those guardrails and mechanisms to detect abuse, if they then choose to ignore them? This makes almost no sense. Either save that money and have no guardrails, or make use of them?!
Well if people started calling it for what it is, weighted random text generator, then maybe they’d stop relying on it for anything serious…
Didnt we just shake the stigma of “committing” suicide to be death by suicide to stop blaming dead people already?
Gun company says you “broke the TOS” when you pointed the gun at a person. It’s not their fault you used it to do a murder.
This is a chat bot
While I don’t care for openAI I don’t see why they would be liable.
Did you know that talking someone into committing suicide is a felony?
It isn’t a person though
It is a mindless chatbot
Someone programmed/trained/created a chatbot that talked a kid into killing himself. It’s no different than a chatbot that answers questions on how to create explosive devices, or make a toxic poison.
If that doesn’t make sense to you, you might want to question whether it’s the chatbot that is mindless.
Is it kitchenaid’s fault if you use their knife to do a murder?
Well, such a knife’s primary purpose is to help with preparing food while the gun’s primary purpose is to injure/kill. So one would be used for something which it was not designed while the other would’ve been used exactly as designed.
Guns primary purpose is to shoot bullets. I can kill just as well with a chemical bomb as a gun, and I could make both of those from things I can buy from the store from components that weren’t ‘designed’ for it.
In this case ‘terms of service’ is just ‘the law’.
People killing each other is just a side effect of humans interacting with dangerous things. Granted humans just kinda suck in general.
AI bad, upvotes to the left please.
I don’t recall seeing articles about how search engines are bad because teens used them to plan suicide.
Go huff more paint thinner darling; you still unfortunately have the ability to type
Why don’t you go ban paint thinner? Someone could use it to kill themselves.
Bad strawman. Teenagers can’t buy paint thinner.
AIs have no sense of ethics. You should never rely on them for real-world advice because they’re programmed to tell you what you want to hear, no matter what the consequences.
The problem is that many people don’t understand this no matter how often we bring it up. I personally find LLMs to be very valuable tools when used in the right context. But yeah, the majority of people who utilize these models don’t understand what they are or why they shouldn’t really trust them or take critical advice from them.
I didn’t read this article, but there’s also the fact that some people want biased or incorrect information from the models. They just want them to agree with them. Like, for instance, this teen who killed themself may not have been seeking truthful or helpful information in the first place, but instead just wanted to agree with them and help them plan the best way to die.
Of course, OpenAI probably should have detected this and stopped interacting with this individual.
Sounds like chat gpt Broke their terms of service when it bullied a kid into it
