One #Kernel to rule them all …
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Are their windows users who pay for the licenses? I never did.
I got my Windows 10 license from our good buddies at MASSGRAVE.
100%. Drake is a suspected pedo, meme needs to die
can I get this meme in a “Linux Mint is easy to use for a regular user”-Version pls
Linux Mint gang rise up! (Because apparently we’re at the bottom of the Linux world).
I absolutely love Linux Mint. But then once I tried regular old Debian with KDE Plasma, I knew that was home.
What’s the difference? Isn’t there this new fancy gui for mint coming up too? So many questions, would be glad for hints and tips!
that’s* exactly what I’m using but I can’t tell you anything why it’s good or better. It’s just “easy” to configure, to use, idk. It’s probably a Linux setup like (almost) all the other ones, but I just stumbled across it and settled 🤷
*debian stable with kde plasma
hahaha fr!
(full disclosure: I’m using debian myself rn but I want to get my folks to switch to Linux and figured they would like an easy start. And Linux Mint is fine Linux, all the haters are just poser hehe)
Mint is designed for stability, which is great … until you need drivers included in the latest kernel.
I had to switch to Fedora 44 for PCVR.
Having to occasionally chase the latest kernel (which you can get in Mint if needed) is one of the reasons I switched away, but overall, I still recommend it… That and wanting modern KDE that isn’t an afterthought.
If you’re content with Cinnamon, though, it’s an excellent choice overall
LM is so damn easy to use that my 76 year old tech illiterate boomer father uses it as his daily driver. Yes I had to install it but that only took a half an hour and it’s been chugging away just fine for nearly 3 years now.
@bmpvy no
Both vibecoded 😍
We love sloperating systems.
Please do reboot your linux, that’s needed to upgrade your kernel.
Not with live patching
That’s generally bad advice. Only some flaws get CVEs & livepatches. There are plenty of other kernel changes that bring stability, features, and fixes for less severe flaws, which can only be utilised with a reboot. Some systems have onerous uptime requirements and that trade-off is worth it. Most servers are better off rebooting as soon as practicable. If you cannot afford reboots, your problem is more likely insufficient redundancy.
I’m not claiming it’s a good idea to enable it, but it exists
I was a Linux admin on a team of fourteen. A Windows Server admin bragged at his server had gone a full two months without a reboot.
In fact, it was 65 days. The other Windows admins congratulated him. He came over to tell me the news, which I already overheard and sshed in to check my uptime.
“821 days uptime.” He got disappointed. That’s cool, because he was a jerk for many reasons.
But deep inside, I realized I needed to stay late after the call center closed, as it is a good idea to apply kernal patches to your firewall.
Yeah I was going to say, even just as a homelab admin, I can keep my OS uptime high if I want to, and just update my services, but I’ve missed some auto start fixes etc., where I updated and started the updated service manually, but then next power loss it didn’t start properly.
Now I try to make sure I reboot once a month when it’s convenient for me to fix issues to make sure all updates are applied and tested. And of course kernel updates like you say.
This is all very cute, but those Windows items don’t apply to me.
- I’ve never paid for Windows, not even preinstalled on a machine.
- It’s set so updates are not forced, but I update anyway because it hasn’t caused me an issue since… ? I can’t remember. A decade or more?
- Rooted out the telemetry and/or blocked it. I accomplished this faster than setting up any given Linux desktop I’ve used.
- This Windows install has ridden the same SSD across 3 or 4 machines for 8 years or more. Not sure I’ve ever had a BSOD on this install, and you won’t either if your hardware isn’t soft damaged.
Updates absolutely are forced, you just haven’t experienced this because you update before it forces you.
I’m also curious how you blocked the telemetry, and more importantly, how can you be certain you’ve blocked all of it (short of leaving it air gapped)
I feel like in this entire discussion, people almost always forget Windows actually costs money, and quite a lot of it.
Even if Linux-based OSes weren’t superior in every possible way… they cost nothing versus Windows 11’s $139 USD price tag.
Linux doesn’t even need to beat Windows at everything to win. And yet it still does.
If you buy a desktop PC rather than build your own, you probably already paid the Windows license
But really, the $139 Windows 11 price isn’t where it’s actually pricy: Windows Server licenses are make thousands of dollars, typically do not come with the hardware, and Linux can do that workload too.
That’s where the real savings comes… As long as you have admins who know how to manage Linux servers…
Almost no one actually buys Windows as a standalone product. If you purchase a new PC from HP, Dell, Acer, etc it comes with it. If you have a Win10 PC or license then Win11 is a free upgrade. The are even several Microsoft 365 SKUs that come with Win11 licensing.
You can literally d/l it direct from Microsoft and run it without a license; you just have to deal with a small licensing message and a few inconveniences in the UI.
The only people buying it as a standalone seem to be business idjuts who went to a store and bought a retail PC with Win11 Home that then find out they need Pro in order to Entra join / AD join the hardware. Those people deserve what they pay so I have no sympathy for them.
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I don’t use Windows
Been using Windows since 3.11 and have never paid for it, not even preinstalled on a machine.
Network effect is strong in this one
The biggest difference with updates isn’t even being forced vs “when I say so,” even though it does matter.
The biggest difference for me is the whole “be good at the thing you were made to do” aspect of Linux and FOSS. I never have any hesitation to update my computer, because updates are fast and unobtrusive. At work I will run an update check in a terminal in the middle of a Teams meeting while I also have code building in the background using 100% CPU. No issues.
I tend to download separately and then close everything right before install.
The install takes 2-5 minutes and I can reboot and resume my work.Windows 7 was the last Windows in which I could do something similar. And even there, the install + reboots were going to be 30+ minutes.
Are there not enough Linux meme communities?
No, never were.jpg
I’m just excited that Windows 10 is no longer supported so it will stop updating without my permission.
It’s now black screen of death, btw
Also, now you get to <choose your colour> screen of death.
Windows sucks, but I’m not sure anyone has actually paid for it since before 10.
Everyone who buys a new computer with Windows preinstalled pays it.
You pay for it in the price of the computer. And with your data and privacy!
But also money
