I look at the date this video was posted (5 days before the 2024 US presidential election), and (probably) lie to myself that the red hats are no coincidence. It gives me a smidge of amusement in these dark times. :)
the only difference is that stalin hijacked the government and turned it to right wing authoritarianism from a based ruler while trump hijacked it from a mid one.
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Lenin was better but still an authoritarian.
They have all the brutality and none of the savviness of Stalin.
ITT anti-leftism.
yall not solving fascism with neoliberalism, a capitalist ideology. just saying.
It has never worked in the past. Germany, Italy and Japan are famous communist nations, that’s the only way to defeat fascism and Co.
what do germany italy and japan has to do with communism?
apart from a piece of germany being siege-socialist for a short while.
I legitimately don’t understand your point? What?
Communism hasn’t prevented fascism from rising, that’s why communism bad?
The Nazis would likely have never rose to power in Germany had the social democrats not betrayed the revolution to preserve capitalism, btw.
I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. The American empire sat back and let the USSR and the Chinese communists take the vast majority of casualties to defeat those rival empires then made them into imperial vassals?
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“You’re from instance i dont like” isn’t a particularly strong counterargument
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I’d argue it’s a satanist party as well. They’re doing all the shit that was prophesized that the devil would make dumb people do, worshipping false idols, worshipping money, getting the mark of the beast, that sort of shit
This is coming from an staunch atheist who just notices the irony
Satanists are cooler than these assholes.
I was confused on what was Satanic until I realized you were talking about the Christian version on Satanic and not the Church of Satan.
I was super surprised by the irony after I saw all those golden idols of trump. If I was a Christian I would be highly offended at these people trying to align with me. Those are $100 bills with trumps face on it, that they covered the goat idol. 2 separate events. 1 was a CPAC and 1 was at Mara Lago. 🙄
I cannot imagine being enough of a sycophant to wear a hat that says “Trump was right about everything”. Nobody’s right about everything, and Trump is less right about things than most people because he’s incredibly stupid.
So much of the last 30 years of Republicanism (maybe 60 years, if you’re a Nixonian) boils down to Owning The Libs.
The guy with the “Trump was right…” hat will happily bitch about all the things Trump is doing wrong. He just won’t do it in earshot of anyone he thinks is to his Left.
Trump is less right about things than most people
Trump is turning the rhetoric of the Reagan Era into reality. He’s taking the orthodoxy of the party seriously, rather than using it as bait to gull the rubes into another round of tax cuts and privatizations.
It’s this commitment to orthodoxy that his base loves. Also what makes him look stupid.
I agree that the party orthodoxy is stupid and contradictory. But he’s also profoundly stupid which is why he’s such a perfect fit as its mascot.
Eh. Intelligence is clearly not how you get ahead in elected politics. Even when Biden wasn’t teetering on the edge of senility, he was still dumb as bricks. Didn’t stop him from being a senior Senator, then a VP, then a President. Meanwhile, the Smarties like Romney and Cruz and Buttigieg and Bloomberg routinely face-plant in the face of even the most mild popular opposition.
Intelligence is sometimes a handicap in politics. You’re right, and that is especially the case in American politics. As far as Trump goes, I would say his intelligence was never a hindrance he had to manage in any way because he is, was, and always will be abundantly stupid.
Intelligence is sometimes a handicap in politics.
Idk if I’d call it a handicap. I’d say it is tangential to the goal of building a large base of supporters, particularly when the “intelligent” move you see before you is to fatten your own wallet or adhere to some big money economic orthodoxy in order to climb the corporate ladder.
Like, the classic examples of this were Hillary v Obama in 2008 and Hillary v Donald in 2016. Hillary Clinton was clearly smarter - and in many ways more politically savvy - than Trump. She was arguably more experienced and politically educated than Obama. And they were both miles ahead of the rest of the GOP field. Hillary had run circles around her Republican rivals for decades, cultivated networks of plutocrats that would have otherwise been Republican stalwarts, built large organizations throughout the Atlantic Coast and the Southwest to power her ambitions during the Bush Era, and added substantially to her family fortune from historical right-wing sources while at the head of the liberal leadership team in an era when Democrats as a party were on the decline.
But she got the rug pulled on her in the '08 primary, simply because she refused to admit she was wrong on her Iraq War vote six years earlier. And she got beaten again, by a whisper thin margin, because her business friendly calculus in backing NAFTA for thirty years finally caught up with her.
As far as Trump goes, I would say his intelligence was never a hindrance he had to manage in any way because he is, was, and always will be abundantly stupid.
I would argue that Trump was significantly smarter than the median GOP primary candidate in '16 and '24. A lot of folks love to pillar him as stupid, but he clearly has an ability to read a room and reflect those feelings back to a crowd in a way DeSantis and Huckabee and Jeb! did not. He wasn’t afraid to say the Iraq War was a mistake. He regularly bragged about his role in government corruption when it was clear voters assumed everyone was corrupt and considered this a point of transparency. He was more openly racist, when the base demanded more racism, and (often quixotically) more openly LGBTQ+ friendly when the base stopped giving a fuck about villainizing gay relationships. Call it Emotional Intelligence, if nothing else. The man might not even be literate, but he’s clearly clever as a fox and twice as predatory.
But I also think he’s a product of the historical moment. His popularity is largely a consequence of decades of political orthodoxy on Rich People Being Better Than You, hammered into the heads of his base voters. He was given a big megaphone to say “I’m a rich white guy with a hot wife, vote for me” in an era when being a rich white guy with a hot wife was a great way to build a popular base of voters.
He lucked into office in 2016 in the same way Obama lucked into office in 2008. In a prior moment, it wouldn’t have worked. In this moment, he was the man that fit what Americans were being sold as Presidential.
I would argue that Trump was significantly smarter than the median GOP primary candidate in '16 and '24. A lot of folks love to pillar him as stupid, but he clearly has an ability to read a room and reflect those feelings back to a crowd in a way DeSantis and Huckabee and Jeb! did not.
He was a frequent guest on the Howard Stern show. He continually forced himself into the lime light every single chance he got. Even the stupidest of fools is bound to develop a skill or two along the way, and over time he did develop media skills and the ability to read a crowd. But he’s still as stupid as a bag of soup.
But I also think he’s a product of the historical moment. His popularity is largely a consequence of decades of political orthodoxy on Rich People Being Better Than You, hammered into the heads of his base voters.
I largely agree with you, but I think his stupidity is a selling point as well. It’s what endears him to “the base”. He thinks like they do: poorly, infrequently…stupidly.
Even the stupidest of fools is bound to develop a skill or two along the way
“He’s the worst chess grandmaster of the lot. Never stops playing, keeps ranking up, just coasting along on the sheer number of games he’s played badly and learned from. Hands down, dumb as shit, I would only lose to him 99.95% of the time.”
Again, I think the term “stupid” is just a pejorative at this point. If he was a democrat who kept winning upset elections and outfoxing supposedly superior opponents, what kind of liberal would talk about him this way?
I think his stupidity is a selling point as well
He’s not fixated on looking like a braniac, which means he’s not getting caught in the Tucker Carlson trap of “You don’t even know how many people are in Iran! How can you support bombing them?” Trump isn’t claiming he’s got the encyclopedia memorized. Much like Bush Jr and Reagan, he’s focused on what plays well with the audience, not what sounds “smart” to the debate judges.
Is that stupid? Not when it accomplishes your intended goals.
Incidentally, one of the “dumbest” things Trump did in the wake of his '24 win was that ridiculous cryptocurrency that let him take bribes openly from foreign governments. It quickly restored him from “billionaire on paper” to “real fucking billionaire”. Not because it was so insidiously clever or legalistic, but because the Biden DOJ never prosecuted him when he was out of office. What’s more, the courts that Democrats refused to stack when they had a majority, have given him a free pass on criminal misconduct.
You can give a lot of credit for that to Mitch McConnell, as he spent his whole Senate career carefully staking appointed positions and encouraging career hires with Federalist Society flacks. But Trump’s the guy who is going to capitalize on all McConnell’s hard work and Clinton/Obama/Biden’s passivity. So who really looks like the dumb-dumb here?
He has what I’ve taken to calling “carnival barker energy”. Certainly not intelligence, and not quite charisma, but a particular kind of stage presence that for some inexplicable reason attracts vibes based morons like flies on shit. He’s basically Cocomelon for manchildren and racists.
The Democrats should OFFICIALLY declare the Republican Party dead, and only refer to the MAGA Party from now on. Do an actual press conference, and make an official announcement - the Republican Party no longer exists, and has been replaced by the MAGA Party. That will make the traditional Republicans absolutely crazy, and the Dems should keep it up.
Never use the word Republican ever again, refer only to the MAGA, or MAGA Nazi Party. On talk shows, interviews, sound bites, fundraising texts, etc., use the term MAGA Party exclusively. When asked about it, simply say casually and matter-of-factly “The Republican Party is dead, they are the MAGA Party from now on,” and leave it at that. Make the MAGAs cry.
So, in short, behave exactly like the Obama era Republicans that the Democrats have basically become
Nah, the Obama Era Republicans put up a fight. The Democrats now aren’t even fighting for the most part.
They’re putting up a fight against the left.
That’s true
use the term MAGA Party exclusively
MAGA - Morons And Genuine Assholes.
I like calling them MAGAts because it just sounds right to me.
The Republicans tried doing a similar thing to the Democratic Party by calling it the “Democrat Party”, but members of the Democratic Party basically just ignored this and treated those who used it as stupid, or offered “helpful corrections” to the user’s “inadvertent mistake”. Eventually, it lost currency because it failed in its goal of upsetting people.
I beg to differ. I have seen Democrats like Schumer and Schiff get very angry when a Republican has called them the Democrat Party, and start lecturing about respect, etc., as the Republican sat back with a smug smirk, knowing they got their opponent to wander off the path, instead of discussing the subject that the Republican would like to avoid. Dems take that bait all the time.
Calling them the MAGA Party, and flat out declaring the Republican Party dead, and then treating it as if it is actually dead, would flip the tables on them.
How exactly are these kindergarten word games going to stop fascism? I’m asking seriously.
It won’t help. It’s purely cathartic. It’s meaningless political tribalism. It will keep the commons quibbling and scratching while fascism only strengthens from the misguided and unprincipled rage.
Ok have you been to any protests this year? Do you plan on being at one on the 4th?
I have been to a couple but I’m unfamiliar with the protest you’re referencing. I have mixed feelings about the protests I’ve witnessed, but it was nice to see people banding together regardless.
It’s nationwide, I’m sure there’s something going on local to you
I keep reading posts like yours, disparaging protests, disparaging written dissension, disparaging a progressive agenda, etc. People like you somehow think the voters are going to flock to the Democrats just by doing the same weak strategies that they’ve been losing with for decades. It’s time to go after the MAGA Nazi with every available strategy, including words.
You presuppose a lot of my position and lump me in with a lot of other comments you’ve read. And in a way you’ve supported the original point I was trying to make.
I applaud all efforts to slow, halt, or reverse fascism. But the “kindergarten word games” mentioned by the above commenter doesn’t really help - and I would argue that it actually hurts since fascism thrives on divisiveness, isolation, and hate. If the takeaway from fascism is to fight it by sowing the same seeds that allowed it to grow in the first place then I fear we won’t have the outcomes we hope for. And the specific words proposed by the original comment don’t illustrate any essential problems to people they’re trying to sway; it does nothing to educate people and see the problem with sober eyes. It’s sole design is catharsis and insult.
Before the apparent fascism we know today, both parties (knowingly or unknowingly) laid the groundwork for it in service to capital. Fascism IS Capitalism when times get tough. Capital does not benefit from people seeing each other as equals or wanting to understand each other. The divisiveness is by design.
The Democratic Party as you or I know it is adrift at best; dead at worst. It would require substantive, substantial change in the party for them to “win” in any meaningful, lasting way. But they won’t change in any real way - only branding or rhetoric - because that’s all they’ve ever known and that’s all that is allowed.
In essence: they are Republicans but with a different veneer. The everyman knows this intuitively. People of all stripes complain of the political, social, and economic system in common ways. The hollow promises of current administration are evidence of this - a lot of people voted how they did based on these hollow promises. However, simultaneously people allow themselves to be bewildered by the “outrage of the week” from whatever media ecosystem they consume. These outrages distract from the common trend lines between the two parties. These trends are evident when you focus attention on the factual reality of both parties actions and ignore their rhetoric and daily outrages.
And just so we’re clear: not all outrages are equal in this respect. Some are worth our time and attention. But you need to ask yourself why the media cycle flips so rapidly and readily. It’s by design to bewilder - and it’s not just coming from one party or another. It’s coming from a class of people to a different class of people.
So I’ll leave myself open for the usual comments of “both sides huh?” Because if anyone wants to genuinely have a discussion about that we can. But I’m not here to talk to people who approach in bad faith.
Politics is ALL marketing/ advertising, and the most important thing a product can do is establish a strong, powerful brand. These aren’t “kindergarten word games,” this is a marketing strategy intended to damage their brand.
At their core, MAGAs are cowardly and angry, and easy to manipulate. Needle, harass, hassle, tease, humiliate, embarrass, etc. them at EVERY opportunity, and they will grow angrier, and more frightened when they see their intimidation tactics aren’t working. It shows shallow voters that the MAGAs are pathetic, they aren’t strong, and they aren’t to be feared. It shows that they are blustering losers, not to be respected or obeyed. Combine that with a solid brand building strategy for a popular Democratic agenda, and voters will abandon the pathetic MAGAs, and flock to the Democrats.
Handled correctly, words are powerful tools, and the Pen is mightier than the Sword.
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They can be identified with a symbol as well, maybe like a cross with bent ends.
Oh, libs. When will you learn that the right is immune to these sorts of accusations? Nobody is swayed by this “Trump is a communist” rhetoric, the only people who agree with it are people who already hate Trump and would clap along with any comparison or accusation as long as it’s negative. Trump has “Only Nixon could go to China” powers.
It’s the same sort of thing as the Dems trying to attack Trump as weak on immigration and pass themselves off as border hawks. Liberals can’t help but to concede this whole moral framework to the right and argue purely along technical lines of efficiency.
Of course the liberals clap along because it owns the “tankies,” and in their minds, if they just punch left enough they’ll convince everyone that they’re “one of the good ones” on the left, as if they’re not going to be labelled Stalinists anyway, like they did with Obama.
It’s bad enough that it’s not true, but even worse is that nobody buys it (who wasn’t already “vote blue no matter who”).
Cowards driving by and downvoting without addressing any arguments: where is the lie?
Is it unfathomable that someone could see something they think is wrong but doesn’t think starting a long-winded Internet argument wherein neither party will in any scenario whatsoever convince the other of anything is worth their time?
I think it’s representative of intellectual cowardice which is why I made my comment. It is entirely consistent with my experience when commenting on a
.worldpost and calling out Liberalism’s “true face”.Pack it up, fellas. Not wanting to start Internet arguments is now “intellectual cowardice”.
It seems you would rather have this meta argument about posting etiquette then actually address any substantive policy or historical arguments so I’m not sure you are making the point you think you are
Nah, I’ve said all I wanted to say have a good day
They’re right, you’ve got nothing and you know it
if you say “libs” it instantly puts people in the headspace of “own the libs”, “everything i don’t like is woke”… it’s a dog whistle, and thus sets people up to think the rest of what’s being said is tainted
the ideologies in the group are not a cohesive block
Part of the reason to use the word is to expose liberals to the idea that they are not in fact the Left and their policies support capitalism at every turn
I take drive by downvotes as a compliment, the meaning I get from them is, “I don’t like this because it challenged my beliefs in a way I can’t answer.” Great! That’s what I was going for.
That’s a nice way to think about it, thank you
wow, you’re soooo woke
he said “stalinist”; not communist… one of the primary things that differentiates stalin from marx and lenin (afaik; i’ll freely admit i’m not reading books on the subject, but that’s also the perspective of the mainstream and thus afaik the communication he’s going for) is the authoritarianism, purges, etc: he’s trying to say that trump is a cult of personality of equal substance to the mainstream understanding of stalin
i’ll freely admit i’m not reading books on the subject
Let me first clarify a few points then.
Marx and Lenin were also “authoritarian.” You should read Engles’ On Authority, it’s not long and explains his position on the matter, which was consistent with Marx.
“Stalinism” isn’t really a thing, nobody calls themselves that, it’s just a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism, which was Stalin’s stated ideology (in fact, he’s the person who coined the term). Marxism-Leninism (“Stalinism”) is the most prevalent ideology among self-described communists globally, particularly in the global south.
If Sanders just wanted an authoritarian figure to compare Trump to, there are no shortage of right-wing ones who have much more in common with him. The choice of Stalin seems to be intentional, to distance himself and his own brand of socialism from Stalin and other M-Ls.
I believe this is a flawed strategy, in the same way it would be to accuse a witch-hunter of being a witch. The problem is that you’re accepting the premise that witches are real and need to be hunted, and at that point it becomes a question of who can better make the case that they’re not a witch - which is going to be the witch-hunter, because that’s their job, they know how to play the game, they made the rules. In the same way, right wingers are always going to be more convincing anti-communists than someone who calls himself a socialist, they made the rules of the red scare and they know how to play it. The real way to defeat the witch hunt is to have enough people who aren’t afraid of being called witches, and the way to defeat red scare stuff is not to accept the framing and punch left, but to say, “So what if I am a Red?”
I’m over here waiting to see whether the apocalypse is more Matrix, Terminator, or idiocracy. I’m leaning idiocracy, but I’m not giving up on the others.
We’re legit too dumb to even build the Terminator or Matrix apocalypses IMO. They both rely on creating genuine artificial life.
Devastatingly, we might even be too dumb to get to an Idiocracy future. It’s set in ~2500 and the earth is still pretty well habitable.
I think short term it’s more Handsmaid’s Tale in the US, and globally heading for perhaps Elysium.
Good times, good times.
I want off this ride. I feel like a deer being chased by an endurance hunter and I’m about to collapse.
Cyberpunk is a possibility as well
Whatever it is, expect there to be a healthy mix of “The Stepford Wives” and “The Handmaid’s Tale” thrown in there as well.
My money is on Idiocracy + 1984.
No, it’s more of a Mussolinist party. Stalin wasn’t that bad.
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I mean, I certainly support Bernie. He will do a lot of good, but I’m tired of people worried about Stalin when Trump is worse.
So authoritarianism. Did we ban the wrong tankies perhaps?
Vote Blue no matter who, like that?
No, and why would anyone that’s literate think it’s the same as cult of personality?
Both require no thinking yet believing you’re correct no matter the evidence to the contrary.
The slogan was used in direct opposition against Trump and the republican party
It’s reductionist to complain about the phrase in general because you’ve taken the slogan out of the context it was in. In an ideal scenario the US would have actual candidates that don’t want to dismantle democracy, then the slogan would make no sense. Like in Vermont, where Bernie Sanders offered an independent choice that actually believes in leftist democratic values.
Unfortunately, when the choice is between fascism from Republicans or the status quo with Democrats, you best believe the US should vote blue no matter who, because the other option is infinitely worse.
In an ideal scenario the US would have actual candidates that don’t want to dismantle democracy
In an ideal scenario there would be no federal government and all states would be split apart.
Look up harm reduction.
Dems are not harm reduction in any way
Congratulations, you are the reason we have what we have now.
Lol no, billionaires and the complicity of both major US parties in the process of regulatory capture are why we have what we have now, although the political illiteracy and complacency of people like you is a significant factor in how that process was allowed to progress as far as it has
Truth.
The Biden administration did more for antitrust law than anyone in a generation. But by all means, ignore that because bOtH sIdEs
I agree that people should at least check the box, but leftists who are fed up are not the entire reason for “what we have now”. A lack of mutual aid alongside politics is also the problem. There is also the whole problem of Suburbia and its culture: one of these problems is a fear of crime and “stranger danger” (this is only a problem when making sure you aren’t talking to a federal agent). There are people still watching the same cable television that the internet supposedly replaced wholesale, and most of it’s Fox News. These people completely outnumber the people who withhold their vote.
I honestly just hate the United States. I cannot find any other country on Earth that represents such a grave threat to freedom, aside from Israel which is of course a client state. I’d get rid of the “world police” no matter what “terrorists” run rampant because they will never be as terroristic as the U.S. anyway. I will vote for harm reduction, but I really, really want the American Union to break up.
I’m with you, but I will disagree about the suburbs. Born and bred in the ‘burbs, I live there now. We are not the majority, but there are plenty of progressive people not living in fear of the things you describe. That being said, I’m more and more fed up with this country everyday. Suburbs in another country continues to look more appealing.
So if Harris won she would’ve deported all those people to El Salvador without due process?
Probably not, she would have exhibited slightly more tact and decorum in defense of the status quo, and you would have been fine with it because you stand for absolutely nothing
So how is “defense of the status quo instead of mass deporting” not “harm reduction”?
They keep talking about “own the libs” but Trump has been the most liberal president we’ve had.
Its just that he’s not liberal in the sense of leftist values.
Sanders is controlled opposition, he rolled over and let the DNC fuck us all and if given the chance he’ll do it again
What could Bernie do to the DNC? They’re in charge, he has to play by their rules. He could’ve ran third party but then he’d end up splitting the dem vote. It was a lose-lose.
He could have spoken out publicly against their crooked bullshit, “splitting the vote” assumes that anyone would have voted for fucking Hillary over him which is laughable, and her stupid ass lost anyway so clearly there was no point, but there’s no point explaining the idea of principled resistance to you, liberals have no fucking principles
Oh, go get fucked. You don’t deserve people like Bernie.
You’re right, I don’t
I’ll rephrase it in a way you can comprehend; “You dont deserve someone as good as Bernie.” Hope that helps.
I comprehended your meaning just fine the first time and you know it, it was a fairly straightforward implication based on my original comment and your response to it, that I deserve better than an ineffectual loser. I was able to effectively convey my meaning in fewer words using your own comment as a contextual foundation for an inversion of your intent, I was able to do that because I’m smarter than you.
I fucking love that he chose to call them stalinists. In addition to it being true, it send a fuck you to the alt-right and the alt-left (who love to talk up stalin as of late)
Who in the alt left is talking about Stalin lol maybe some whackos online
Stalin took the Russian state from an agricultural backwater to a Space Age superpower in a matter of twenty years.
If he’d started out a Virginia plantation owner instead of a Georgian bank robber, capitalists would have loved him. He’d be bigger than Churchill.
American liberals love (the whitewashed version of) FDR because they see the quasi-socialism of the mid-20th century as the morally correct path. Eastern Europeans - who came through two world wars and repeated genocides on every front - have a lot more of an appetite for Iron Fisted Dictator[Communist] after enduring generations of Iron Fisted Dictator[Monarchist]
But the way in which he did it was very costly. Stalin is comparable to Musk in that sense. In love with technology and factories, but too focussed on advancement no matter the human cost. Everything was about efficiency.
Stalin is comparable to Musk in that sense.
Christ. Musk is, if anything, more comparable to Henry Ford.
Billionaire car magnet with whole municipal governments in his pocket who wrecked public transit and spread antisemitism all over Europe? That’s not the editor and chief at Pravda.
If you were to put Stalin anywhere in contemporary US politics, I’d say he’s comparable to Shyam Sankar - the Palantir CTO who was recently granted the rank of Lt. Colonel in the US military. Or, perhaps, just straight up comparing him to Peter Thiel minus all the buggery.
In love with technology and factories, but too focussed on advancement no matter the human cost. Everything was about efficiency.
Silicon Valley has swarms of these guys. Most of them aren’t constantly pissing themselves from too much Ketamine.
If he hadn’t been, would the USSR survived? That focus on technology, factories, and efficiency, no matter the cost, seems like the right approach when there’s Nazis at your doorstep, conquering all of Europe and conducting mass exterminations.
Nothing says “preparing for war against the Nazis and capitalists” like murdering your entire officer corps of true believers that won the Revolution that you didn’t actually fight in
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
Die mad about reality.
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When did the USSR conduct “mass exterminations?”
The largest and most sadistic mass murders were by the Nazis, obviously. Are you trying to downplay the Holocaust?
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Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
Mostly the tankies on .ml
maybe some whackos online
Checks out.
Who, you know, MIGHT be real people but probably aren’t for the most part…
I just assume any .ml account is a propaganda bot. Because even if they are real people… they are propaganda bots.
Lemmy is far too small to bot.
lemmy.ml is just friendly to those people, so it attracts them.lemmy.ml was built by those people, sometimes it feels for the express purpose of spreading their bullshit.
Yeah, how dare they build a space where they could express their views!
Fuck off, tankie
Yeah, that’s plausible.
Lemmy.ml only has ~2100 monthly active users. I would guess that likely at least half of them are randos who just joined what they thought was the default instance.
That leaves about 1000 or so (likely even less) active tankies. That’s not a lot of people. I’m pretty sure you could find more than that amount of tankies in pretty much every single metropolis worldwide.
If its only a thousand people, can we just ignore them then.
Currently, Lemmy only has 46 000 monthly active accounts in total, so 1 000 is quite a significant share of that. Especially considering that these 1000 are very vocal.
Remember, this is not Reddit or Facebook with billions of active users. Lemmy in its entirety is smaller than some phpbb forums used to be.
I mean, ~3500 of these monthly active accounts are from lemmynsfw.com alone, and these are most likely double accounts for people who have accounts on a non-nsfw instance. And in general it’s quite likely the the amount of monthly active accounts is much larger than the number of actual monthly active users, considering that a significant portion of users will have more than one lemmy account and that there are some moderation bots and stuff like that around.
dude what the fuck
If you’re not a tankie, you shouldn’t be offended by, “tankies on .ml”
That instance actively and demonstrably moderates counter-opinions to tankie rhetoric, to the point where the instance is just a field of landmines for those that don’t tow the line. They are a terrible, gross farse of “leftists” and deserve all the shit they catch and more.
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Irrelevant to the comment. My comment is clearly and explicitly about .ml. That’s why I said .ml Thank you for further demonstrating the level of user .ml gives the rest of us.
I was objecting to this part
I just assume any .ml account is a propaganda bot. Because even if they are real people… they are propaganda bots.
Of course there are tankies on ML, though i gotta admit I rarely see them with my filters.
Plenty of hate-filled accounts on world that I block too
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They’re robots, Morty, I don’t respect them
I’m just kinda here, idk wth the rest of the instance is up to
in my experience, every tankie I came across is from .ml, not saying every .ml user is a tankie, but every tankie is a .ml user.
From someone who has gone to more than a few political protests and rallies in Boston:
Every fucking time Socialist Alternative shows up, it’s fine until some edgelord dipshit unfurls the fucking huge Soviet flag with Stalin and Mao silk screened on it. It’s like they’re trying to alienate reasonable people as well as historically-informed people. I consider myself a staunch socialist. I also outright detest Stalin and Mao because they were fucking authoritarian despots who wrapped their regimes in “communism” banners.
Sure, some of the systems at lower levels were socialistic, but at the end of the day, it was all in service to the cult of personality in charge of the whole gig. And yes, that’s what the US has devolved into (and arguably had done so quite a while ago, just not so overtly), but that doesn’t excuse Stalin or Mao, nor does it justify being an apologist for them.
Oh man, a thousand times this, fucking tankies are a pain and a ball and chain on the leg of progress.
Why is it always Mao or Stalin? Can’t they at least go with folks who shed the blood of fascists like Tito or Castro? They werent particularly good either but at least they were doing the best with their dealt decks. Mind you I fucking loathe elevating folks to positions of respect unless they were my ancestors or damned well earned it via death and glory.
Every fucking time Socialist Alternative shows up, it’s fine until some edgelord dipshit unfurls the fucking huge Soviet flag with Stalin and Mao silk screened on it.
I’m not super familiar with Socialist Alternative, but aren’t they a Trotskyist org? What are they doing waving Stalin flags?
The only person I’ve encountered waving Stalin flag at a protest said they were a Maoist when I asked
From that perspective, any thoughts on Ho Chi Minh?
Of all the leaders good, bad, and, ugly over the last century, he doesn’t seem to be brought up as much by propaganda machines.
I also outright detest Stalin and Mao because they were fucking authoritarian despots
You could easily say the same of Washington or Eisenhower or Churchill or DeGualle.
Hell, Lincoln got got by a guy who was literally shouting “Sic Semper Tyrantus”.
The thing that sets Stalin and Mao apart from the Francos and Mussolinis and Tojos and Chang Kai-Sheks and Churchills was their break from the old line aristocracy. The thing westerners hate more than anything was their overthrow of the local monarchies.
That’s why you have folks weeping big crocodile tears over Anastasia and Puyi, while they whistle past the graveyard of the countless Chinese and Russian victims of Romanov/Qing Dynasty misrule.
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Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
Aw I thought he called the sanatists but I think either would work
sanatists
Ah yes. Sanat, Satan’s lesser known brother.
Who would win, Sanat or Craig?
Shame they’re not santanists
Great guitarist
We worship that tone amirite?
Modern Satanists are actually extremely progressive. The Satanic Temple makes a point of using legislation intended to promote Christianity to promote their own religious organization.
It pisses off the reactionary religious zealots and shows them to be hypocrites, and there’s nothing legislators can do about it without blatantly giving preferential treatment to the “correct” religion.
To be fair, the Satanic Temple isn’t exactly satanic per se. It’s more of a parody religion to point out the unfair law exceptions churches get. They are more anti-church (or maybe even anti-religion) than actually satanic.
I’d be very surprised if a significant portion of members of the Satanic Temple actually seriously believe in the existence of satan.
It’s about the same as e.g. the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I’m talking about their version of satanists not the real people
