He said billionaires shouldn’t exist. If billionaires didn’t exist who would fund their campaigns running on platforms that allow billionaires to hoard wealth unimpeded?
They aren’t, Mamdani is the representative on the DNC ticket and has been congratulated by many members of the DNC. He swept every district in the primary election.
Hakeem Jefferies went on television literally yesterday and said he wasn’t willing to endorse Mamdani. Schumer hasn’t endorsed either. Generally speaking, when a politician from your own party releases a statement, “congratulating,” you instead of endorsing you, it’s considered a slight.
He didn’t say he wouldn’t endorse him, only that he was going to meet with him this week to talk about stances which affect both of their approval ratings such as rising antisemitism in NYC, and I can certainly believe that even before the war on Gaza there was rising antisemitism such as a crowd led by Kanye West at one point.
Mamdani won Jefferies’district, so it wouldn’t make sense to withhold his endorsement because of the voters. However, Jefferies top contributor is AIPAC, which does make a lot more sense.
Jefferies has insinuated that Mamdani is antisemitic and refused to endorse him. There is no universe in which that is anything but and attack.
So you think Jefferies’ voters are so concerned about Mamdani they’ll primary Jefferies if he endorses him, but not concerned enough to vote against Mamdani in the first place? That’s more likely than Jefferies not wanting to piss off his biggest donor?
Jefferies had no problem endorsing Cuomo, who resigned due to corruption and sexual misconduct allegations, and was rejected by Jefferies’ voters. He’s picked an odd time to become cautious with his endorsements.
He’s popular with the voters. He’s going to stomp New York, and then he’ll start looking at the presidency. And he might win that, too. And then they’d have to pass bills, and their donors would be mad.
Democrats aren’t fighting him, the DNC (Democratic National Convention) is. The party doesn’t want him as their representative, because he doesn’t match their values. But he represents what the Democrat constituents actually want and the DNC fears losing control over their constituents, so they want to ensure he loses the race.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it. The US doesn’t actually have a left-wing party. Both our major parties are right-wing by global standards. So any truly left-wing candidates scare them, and they’ll fight tooth and nail to keep them out of elections.
Even Cuomo, who was completely stomped in the primaries, is still planning to run in the election as an independent. Their hope is that his run will split the party and make Mamdani lose. If the Democratic Party can’t get their man in the election, then they’ll throw the race and take everyone down with them.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it.
The old RNC. The new Republicans have taken over and actually do want all the fascist hateful stuff. The old guard courted crazies and those crazies took over.
Which, fuckin’ honestly, should be an object lesson for anyone who wants to advance progressive politics in this country. Engage in primary after primary and take over the party from within until the old guard are appalled at what it has become, except do that with good goals instead of horrifying ones.
And remember that by the time the election itself is at hand, it’s too late to make meaningful change in the party platform. The primaries are what actually matter when it comes to changing course. Everything after that, it’s just a binary choice between which of the major candidates you actually want in power.
You’re just being snarky because it’s true. Two sides of the same political coin that is the Great Farce of American politics, the latest Third World country as it currently stands.
It’s abundantly obvious the parties are different. I’m snarky because so many mental sloths exist. Be bothered to think and I’ll be less snarky. Specific, non-hyperbolic factual criticisms are not what I take issue with.
If you say the parties are the same you’re either revealing how grossly ignorant you are, or what a liar you are. No grey area there really.
The VOTERS of each party are different. The actual leaders of each party, the actual people running the party apparatus? There’s very little difference between the parties in terms of actual leadership.
One party sometimes pretends to help, the other viciously kills all in its path and is proud of it. Yep, basically the same. Sometimes I cannot tell Bernie Sanders from Trump. Same person.
Just look at how they voted in tabling to be able to vote on if Trump’s articles of impeachment. Way too many democrats voted yes to not vote on it. It’s as if most of them don’t want to look at the fascism happening, and stick their heads in the sand. In my blue state only one voted to hear the articles of impeachment. Fuck.
They are actively supporting it, because they directly benefit from it, just like the other party. The whole thing is a farce, and people like OP are unable to see it.
Either that, or they are state agents, attempting to stifle true conversation and maintain the status quo.
If the parties are different, then WHY DO THE DEMOCRATS KEEP ON HELPING HIM PASS LEGISLATION WHEN THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO HAVE SOME REPUBLICANS ON THEIR SIDE TO DERAIL IT?
If they were different, then I wouldn’t even need to say it is what you meant.
Edit for clarification: Do not judge them by their name, judge them by what legislation they help pass when they have the opportunity to do otherwise. They are the same.
There’s way more nuance than Lemmy pretends. It’s difficult to deal with, because there’s a lot of nuance and several grains of truth lying around.
They’re afraid if someone on “their side” is out there yelling “I’m a socialist”, that it’ll scare the donors. That much is true.
Lemmy forgets that you need donors and allies to win elections. I honestly think many people pushing the “both sides” narrative actively want us all to lose.
We don’t need to be as beholden to donors as the general Democrats are. We have a lot of room for Democratic Socialist policies. But if we use our platforms to yell about how both sides are the same, well, first, they’re absolutely fucking not, and second, that’s going to get people to stay home and lose elections.
We need to pull the party to the left. Partly that’ll help win elections. IF we don’t sink the boat while we’re doing it.
Wait why are democrats fighting him? I thought he was socialist or something
He said billionaires shouldn’t exist. If billionaires didn’t exist who would fund their campaigns running on platforms that allow billionaires to hoard wealth unimpeded?
Yeah but like… Fuck billionaires. A billion dollars is 50,000/yr for 20,000 years.
They aren’t, Mamdani is the representative on the DNC ticket and has been congratulated by many members of the DNC. He swept every district in the primary election.
Hakeem Jefferies went on television literally yesterday and said he wasn’t willing to endorse Mamdani. Schumer hasn’t endorsed either. Generally speaking, when a politician from your own party releases a statement, “congratulating,” you instead of endorsing you, it’s considered a slight.
He didn’t say he wouldn’t endorse him, only that he was going to meet with him this week to talk about stances which affect both of their approval ratings such as rising antisemitism in NYC, and I can certainly believe that even before the war on Gaza there was rising antisemitism such as a crowd led by Kanye West at one point.
Hakeem’s District is Brooklyn, 22.4% Jewish.
Mamdani won Jefferies’district, so it wouldn’t make sense to withhold his endorsement because of the voters. However, Jefferies top contributor is AIPAC, which does make a lot more sense.
Jefferies has insinuated that Mamdani is antisemitic and refused to endorse him. There is no universe in which that is anything but and attack.
Mamdani won Jefferies’ district with a 15% DNC voter turnout, running against Cuomo.
So you think Jefferies’ voters are so concerned about Mamdani they’ll primary Jefferies if he endorses him, but not concerned enough to vote against Mamdani in the first place? That’s more likely than Jefferies not wanting to piss off his biggest donor?
I’m saying caution is a fine approach in the face of uncertainties, hopefully Mamdani’s polls look great and Jefferies endorses him wholeheartedly.
Jefferies had no problem endorsing Cuomo, who resigned due to corruption and sexual misconduct allegations, and was rejected by Jefferies’ voters. He’s picked an odd time to become cautious with his endorsements.
He’s popular with the voters. He’s going to stomp New York, and then he’ll start looking at the presidency. And he might win that, too. And then they’d have to pass bills, and their donors would be mad.
They’d rather run bad candidates and lose.
Mamdani would mop the floor with Trump.
I was about to say that Trump has already been elected twice, and then I remembered that that’s not going to stop him.
He’s not eligible to run for president because he was born in Uganda.
Damn, I forgot the constitution was racist
How is the foreign born restriction racist? It blocked Arnold Schwarzenegger from running.
Fortunately the constitution doesn’t matter anymore. Run him anyway!
That’s why they’re fighting him. Money go brr and money is scared.
What I’m gathering is that he’s popular with the people but not the people with money lol
Because he’s advocating policies and reforms that run counter to the financial and social interests of the Democratic Leadership
Honestly if you put the DNC in other countries they wouldn’t be considered left.
Even the UK who’s current “left” PM is actually extremely centre, but compare the DNC to him they would still be more right than him.
In any other country they’d be the conservative party.
Democrats aren’t fighting him, the DNC (Democratic National Convention) is. The party doesn’t want him as their representative, because he doesn’t match their values. But he represents what the Democrat constituents actually want and the DNC fears losing control over their constituents, so they want to ensure he loses the race.
The DNC and the RNC basically want the same thing, except the Democratic Party is much more subtle about it. The US doesn’t actually have a left-wing party. Both our major parties are right-wing by global standards. So any truly left-wing candidates scare them, and they’ll fight tooth and nail to keep them out of elections.
Even Cuomo, who was completely stomped in the primaries, is still planning to run in the election as an independent. Their hope is that his run will split the party and make Mamdani lose. If the Democratic Party can’t get their man in the election, then they’ll throw the race and take everyone down with them.
What’s this? nuance in a lemmy comment? Inconceivable.
The old RNC. The new Republicans have taken over and actually do want all the fascist hateful stuff. The old guard courted crazies and those crazies took over.
Which, fuckin’ honestly, should be an object lesson for anyone who wants to advance progressive politics in this country. Engage in primary after primary and take over the party from within until the old guard are appalled at what it has become, except do that with good goals instead of horrifying ones.
And remember that by the time the election itself is at hand, it’s too late to make meaningful change in the party platform. The primaries are what actually matter when it comes to changing course. Everything after that, it’s just a binary choice between which of the major candidates you actually want in power.
True. The more right the DNC leans, the more extremist right the RNC leans, to differentiates themselves from Democrats.
Yes, yes, everything the Republicans do is actually the fault of the Democrats. I’ve heard this one.
Now do you believe people when they say they have a 2 party system with Republicans vs
Democratsother republicans?Mamdani is a Democrat, you’re calling Mamdani controlled opposition.
Tell that to the DNC
The DNC are the ones who informed me.
BoTh SiDeS
You’re just being snarky because it’s true. Two sides of the same political coin that is the Great Farce of American politics, the latest Third World country as it currently stands.
It’s abundantly obvious the parties are different. I’m snarky because so many mental sloths exist. Be bothered to think and I’ll be less snarky. Specific, non-hyperbolic factual criticisms are not what I take issue with.
If you say the parties are the same you’re either revealing how grossly ignorant you are, or what a liar you are. No grey area there really.
The VOTERS of each party are different. The actual leaders of each party, the actual people running the party apparatus? There’s very little difference between the parties in terms of actual leadership.
One party sometimes pretends to help, the other viciously kills all in its path and is proud of it. Yep, basically the same. Sometimes I cannot tell Bernie Sanders from Trump. Same person.
Same donors = same interests
BoTh SiDeS me no see difference because difference challenge me
Trump always bad so our side always good.
Little projection from Blue MAGA
Saying “blue maga” = “Putin is my daddy”
You sound a lot like someone I know who would be evading ban if they’re here. You’ll be caught if that’s so.
Just look at how they voted in tabling to be able to vote on if Trump’s articles of impeachment. Way too many democrats voted yes to not vote on it. It’s as if most of them don’t want to look at the fascism happening, and stick their heads in the sand. In my blue state only one voted to hear the articles of impeachment. Fuck.
They are actively supporting it, because they directly benefit from it, just like the other party. The whole thing is a farce, and people like OP are unable to see it.
Either that, or they are state agents, attempting to stifle true conversation and maintain the status quo.
Because you’re posting like someone without two brain cells to rub together.
Lol I’m the state agent here, Vlad
All for the sake of hatred of books. Books are where it’s at!
If the parties are different, then WHY DO THE DEMOCRATS KEEP ON HELPING HIM PASS LEGISLATION WHEN THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO HAVE SOME REPUBLICANS ON THEIR SIDE TO DERAIL IT?
If they’re the same, you wouldn’t even need to say it
You’re right, they’re not the same.
Red MAGA is evil, Blue MAGA too but they are hypocrites about it.
So worse
I tagged you perfectly
If they were different, then I wouldn’t even need to say it is what you meant.
Edit for clarification: Do not judge them by their name, judge them by what legislation they help pass when they have the opportunity to do otherwise. They are the same.
Won’t engage with this ✌️
That’s actually the exact reason democrats are fighting him.
So he’s too far left?
And he’s probably not even particularly left.
Maybe, but not if he wants to live long.
There’s way more nuance than Lemmy pretends. It’s difficult to deal with, because there’s a lot of nuance and several grains of truth lying around.
They’re afraid if someone on “their side” is out there yelling “I’m a socialist”, that it’ll scare the donors. That much is true.
Lemmy forgets that you need donors and allies to win elections. I honestly think many people pushing the “both sides” narrative actively want us all to lose.
We don’t need to be as beholden to donors as the general Democrats are. We have a lot of room for Democratic Socialist policies. But if we use our platforms to yell about how both sides are the same, well, first, they’re absolutely fucking not, and second, that’s going to get people to stay home and lose elections.
We need to pull the party to the left. Partly that’ll help win elections. IF we don’t sink the boat while we’re doing it.
“We can’t elect people who do the things we want, otherwise we won’t be able to elect people who do the things we want.”
If he gets elected that proves the entire premise wrong.
Zohran Mamdani won against Cuomo, despite Cuomo having the billionaire donors.
Also the Democrats running after billionaire donors orders had them loose to Trump not once but twice.
Uhh but Zohran got donors from the people. 20k people donated to his campaign fund. You don’t need billionaires to fund your campaign.
Heck, look at Kickstarter. They still manage to get millions from the regular people.
Despite what Fox News may tell you, the Democrats (well, the DNC leadership in particular) aren’t “left.”
They are when they are being called radical.
I’m just going off of what was said in the prior comment. I haven’t looked anything up quite yet
Then why are you commenting?