This image captures the moment a former high school football star breaks down in court when his rape charge is dismissed. The dismissal occurred after the 16-year-old accuser admitted that the alleged incident never happened, concluding six years he spent in prison.
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics/
“One in five women in the United States experienced completed or attempted rape during their lifetime”
“Nearly a quarter (24.8%) of men in the U.S. experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.”
“Nationwide, 81% of women and 43% of men reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime.”
“One in three female victims of completed or attempted rape experienced it for the first time between the ages of 11 and 17”
And
“The prevalence of false reporting for sexual assault crimes is low — between two percent and 10 percent.”
Sources for all this are linked in the site above.
I think it says a lot that some folks downvoted this despite it just being sourced stats of the level of sexual violence experienced by both men and women and the rarity of false reports. OP chose to post info about a case from more than 15yrs ago and didn’t even bother posting sources (probably because the age of the case would have tipped off how rare these types of situations are). Yes, these types of false reports are awful but the sheer number of incidents of rape against both men and women are staggering.
I upvoted it because it should be said, but to play devil’s advocate in regards to why people might be downvoting it: On threads about sexual assault, people discussing false accusations is generally discouraged, not because false accusations aren’t a problem in theory, but because it distracts from and to a point dismisses the discussion about the injustice of sexual assault currently being presented. This is essentially the same thing; if people truly believed that these issues should be discussed separately, then this is as much a breach of that rule as discussing false accusations on a post about a sexual assault incident is.
If as few as 2% of reported rapes are false accusations but as recently as 2018, it was estimated that only 25% of rapes were reported to police, I think the argument that stuff like this “should be said” falls apart. When looking at false reports, you’re looking at essentially a statistical anomaly when looking at the total number of incidents of rape. Yes, it can be said to happen, but focusing on false reports actively discourages both men and women from reporting acts of sexual violence. The problem of people not feeling safe to report or that they wouldn’t be believed is a problem orders of magnitude greater in size than false reports.
stating the real issue.
I’m not sure you read what I thought “should be said” correctly-- my comment agrees with this point.
(not the person who you replied to) I thought your comment was well-reasoned and easy to understand. I had those feelings about it but didn’t have the words to describe it. It’s kind of like putting crime statistics under an article about a murderer who is black because you’re expecting racism. Kinda. Your breakdown was more accurate.
Thank you! :)
thanks for these statistics. Very useful for reasonable discourse on the topic!
Came here for the rage, stayed for the sensibility.
This image is from 2012. I am not sure why it is interesting (i.e. how it is nearly as interesting as anything else in this commag) nor why it is being dug up and posted now. It isn’t even a good photo.
OP shows why here. This is because he believes false accusations are a bigger problem than actual rape, and is trying to craft the narrative that women don’t get raped as much as they claim.
This is an incel post.
Not only is this an incel post, it’s a reddit repost, ripped word for word: https://redlib.privadency.com/r/interesting/comments/1wxvfr1/this_is_the_moment_captured_when_former_high/
So, OP was so stricken with this reddit post, they decided to post it here. And then make their terrible comment linked by you. That’s how big of an incel they are.
Oh wow they’re just a straight up bad person ok
A reminder that blocking on Lemmy is super easy. Blocking the incel weirdo.
Because there’s a lot of discourse around the Cornell gang rape and people have a vested interest in making others disbelieve the Jane Doe in that case.
Indeed, it’s why nothing should be made public and then public after the verdict.
this is… a horror show
Theres credible evidence that these shitsmears hunted her down and drugged her. This is EXACTLY the type of case I point to when I be moan poor situational awareness in the “victims” case, that voluntarily showing up to a frat party is a bad, bad, idea if you are female. These are the kind of degenerates that host them, I’M CALLING OUT THE FRAT BOYS in case it wasn’t clear, and saying what I’m saying as A WARNING to women not an admonishment of victimhood.
You know exactly why it is being posted now.
- Nationwide, 81% of women and 43% of men reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime.
- Forty percent of rapes and sexual assaults were reported to police in 2017, but only about 25% were reported to police in 2018.
- The prevalence of false reporting for sexual assault crimes is low — between two percent and 10 percent.
Upvoted on the title but after reading the comments it seems like this is a decade old story being used for narrative purposes. So i changed it to a down vote.
Now if only incels could learn to change and grow and correct mistakes maybe they wouldn’t be incels anymore.
These one in a thousand stories when the other 999 were legitimate are always used like this to help vindicate the narrative that women make it up
The problem is those thousand cases represent a fraction of the around one hundred thousand victims that will never get justice.
my grandpa always said that 100 attaboys will always get canceled out by only one “Aw shit”
So she ruined a man’s life, stole 6 years from him, made it so much harder for other woman to be believed…
And her punishment will be?..
Finally someone said it succinctly.
It’s news from 2012, you could probably dig and find out what happened to her.
I think we would all agree she deserves some form of punishment but I think we would also agree we don’t want to scare off other false accusers from rescinding their lies. That makes figuring out what to do a lot less black and white.
Genuine question: why would we prioritize avoiding deterrence of rescinding false accusations over deterrence of the false accusation itself?
Genuine Answer: While it may deter new instances, it comes at the cost of potentially harming the currently falsely accused by never letting them get justice because the fake accuser decides the cost is too high to come clean. The most precious thing we have is our time and freedom. What decision would you prefer if you were in the shoes of the falsely accused?
Its not ideal, but it is something that requires a little more consideration.
tbh I would want to see numbers on % of false accusations resolved through admission vs litigation to make this call. If the actual rate of admission is incredibly low already then the value would be negligible. And you have to weigh that against the deterrence value, and the value punishment provides in emotional restitution to the victims.
Fair point. Perhaps a grandfather clause of sorts then to cover both instances?
I think it’s also worth adding, the justice system failed this man as well.
Nothing so as to not discourage genuine victims of other men
What are you talking about?
In 2013, the Long Beach Unified School District won a $2.6 million judgment against Gibson, recouping $750,000 paid to her along with attorney’s fees, interest, and $1 million in punitive damages;[25][26]
More punishment than any the Cornell 7 have seen for actually gang raping a woman.
Or men abused by men, or men abused by women. My brother was stabbed by a coked-up ex, and was arrested…until one of the cops realized he was bleeding, and was actually the person who phoned the police for protection. They just assumed he was the abuser…when she was.
Assault is awful. Nobody should tolerate it, but the facts should outweigh the sentiment of the nation, or gender biases and stereotypes.
Every situation is unique, and should be treated as such…without bias.
His name is Brian Banks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)
very old story.
thats why im on not onboard with various me too and whatever.
its super easy to false accuseIt’s so easy that people keep dragging out this one example from 14 years ago when he was exonerated for a false accusation made 24 years ago.
Interesting that this is posted today. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see the few cases like this being posted to help the narrative that rape victims commonly use false accusations.
False rape accusations occur around the same rate as any other false crime accusation. About 5%.
Compared to the fact that 90% of rape perpetrators never see the inside of the courtroom, it’s clear the entire system is fucked in how they handle rape cases.
He was forced to take a plea deal before the case could be heard by a jury because of racism:
Faced with a possible 41-year-to-life sentence, he accepted a plea bargain that included six years in prison, five years of probation, and registering as a sex offender. Banks stated that he took the deal after his lawyer told him that he stood almost no chance at trial because he would likely be tried by an all-white jury who would only see “a big, black teenager.” According to Banks, his lawyer convinced him that by pleading no contest he would receive probation, but no jail time. With only ten minutes to decide and denied the right to counsel with his mother, Banks took the deal.
It’s no different than the .0001% of people that use abortion as a form of birth control or the .0001% of immigrants that take advantage of the system and social safety nets. They (the shit bags and GOP) will cling to those few situations it happens as proof it’s everywhere and push propaganda.
It’s bipartisan
Abortion and immigration, the two examples I was directly referring to, are not bipartisan.
Rape propaganda for false accusations and real accusations are also something that mostly falls on party lines.
This poster doesn’t know jack about Southern Democrats.
Ok but like how much would you be willing to bet that op isn’t a republican
I checked, he’s some sort of like anti-reddit extremist
exactly. people keep talking about epstein classes and then say things i’ll paraphrase as “i’m glad #metoo’s over”. it seems people only want to guillotine privileged rapists when it’s a shortcut to end an argument
Go fuck yourself dude, rape is a huge fucking problem, and way, way more common than false accusations
“Not onboard with various me too and whatever”
Mhm.
Repost bot (maybe incel too)
Ok wanker
And I don’t support all this “anti murder” and whatever, it’s way too easy to falsely accuse someone.
You are disgusting piece of crap.
That’s unfortunate. Too bad bad people do bad things.
it’s shit like this that makes me raise an eyebrow at the term “rape survivor.” I don’t like that is the case; Has real “boy who cried wolf” energy.
KEEP READING BEFORE YOU POST A REBUTTAL
on one side you have someone who is forced to do something against their will for a relatively short time. (which is bad, no argument)
but on the other you have someone who can actually have their life destroyed by the mere accusation of the former.
Seems to me that if you are going to destroy someone you better make damn sure that they are the the perpetrator of such actions, because the punishment is far worse than the crime. (Though justifiably so, in this case)
Being raped (can) cause life long severe mental trauma and PTSD in victims, implying that it’s just a 10 minute bad time that is then just over is utterly fucking disgusting and demeaning towards survivors, you are terrible fucking person for believing that and should feel fucking ashamed of yourself.
If someone like you is even capable of feeling shame
is someone like you capable of reading comprehension, or do you just spout outrage after reading half a sentence?
You literally used the fact that rape only lasts a short time to downplay it’s effects on victims, you’re a disgusting piece of crap and a genuinely terrible fucking person.
And judging by the vote totals, most people agree with me on that.
And then you’ll bust out of here and make jokes about how guys don’t last in bed. I may be disgusting but you’re a hypocrite. Enjoy your block.
I AM a guy, genius, and what the everloving fuck does that have to do with literally anything and how the fuck would it be a hypocrite ?
BelievingKnowing that rape is a horrific crime with potentially life long traumatic consequences, regardless of how long or short it lasts, and making fun of guys for cuming quickly, even that were a thing I did, which it isn’t, wouldn’t be hypocritical. Those two things have nothing to do with each other
Injustice is bad. Falsely imprisoning someone is bad. But also, not holding a rapist to account is bad. And the latter happens 1-2 orders of magnitude more frequently than the former.
This is the same bad-faith edge case fixation that anti-trans people spout about “trans girls in sports”, ignoring the fact that said people would almost certainly never be caught dead watching professional women’s sports teams. It’s a comparatively rare issue, in the context of the original issue being discussed.
Also, the fact that you appear to be trying to litigate how bad a person should feel about rape because it typically takes “a relatively short time” is disgusting and infuriating in equal measure, and tells me a lot about who you are as a person.
False accusations are incredibly common. Everyone is on edge because of the cornell case where it’s clear there was premeditation. THAT was disgusting. Using your gender as defense “because you were scared” is also EQUALLY disgusting. Grow up; the world isn’t sunshine and rainbows buttercup. what is TRUE isn’t always pleasant, and maturity is learning how to face that.
If you want to have justified out rage perhaps you should direct that at how the top 1% are raping us harder than any frat boy could to some naive freshman coed.
Wow, what the fuck is the matter with you?
From experience, most people in education but I know it happens way more often than people know. This is why you don’t see many male teachers
outside of shop classes or drafting, which most schools don’t have anymore. I gave up on teaching because all the bad eggs made you walk on eggshells in a minefield.And on the other hand, there have been at least 3 scandals that broke in my local area alone about male teachers who were inappropriate with students being quietly moved to different school districts with huge settlement payments. And no justice for the victims.
We need to dismantle our rape culture for both types of victims.
Yeah I agree. I would say I hated working in high school. I was only like maybe seven or so years older than the students but looked just like the students–sigh at least I had a staff badge. I would often get the puppy dog eyes from female students and I thought don’t think what you’re thinking please.
In my time in high school there were cases of either-or, and nothing was done about it.
