For those who are not clued into the intricacies of turkish (ethno-)nationalism, turanism is kind of like the odin-flavored racism in germany. They hate arabs so much they reject Islam (which is otherwise pretty core to turkish nationalism) because it’s an “arab religion”. It’s in a (not so coincidentally) similar vein to the odin-racists hating jews so much that they reject christianity due to it being a “semitic religion”. I could get into it more if needed but if you also browse the articles about the grey wolves (why are they called that 🤔) it should be fairly clear why that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy
and my experience with Turkic people is a diasporatic identity with a broad range of expressions, some right wing (as in the state sponsored ideal of Turkic identity promoted in Turkiye and Turkmenistan), some purely cultural (as is the case for my Friends from Pakistan, India, and western China). Again, I don’t want to dismiss your trauma. far right wing expression of turkic identity absolutely exists, and absolutely is a danger.
Turkic Nation States are absolutely a threat and a problem. if that comm is promoting ethnostates, that’s absolutely not okay, and we’ll want to take down those posts, as well as discuss with @cm0002@lemmy.dbzer0.com that this is not acceptable. ethnostates, no matter the creed, culture, or race, have no place promoting themselves in the FAF. it’s why we have our strict no zionism policy. however, from my perspective you are overly broadly painting all turkic people with the brush you got in a turkish supremacist ethnostate. when i went through that comm before i was specifically looking for examples of promoting ethnostates and i couldn’t find any (though i did just browse the first page). if you have any examples that cross a line please let us know.
That is my entire problem with this post. I keep asking for evidence of this specific community being guilty of what he’s claiming. They’re refusing.
That is a refusal to provide evidence of his claims.
Now he’s saying that it would be too hard because they’d have to do a bunch of research and what have you. Why? He just went through the reddit posts and grabbed a few links (see other comments in this thread) that supported his point of view so clearly he doesn’t need to actually do the research he’s claiming. Why is it that links of problematic posts from reddit are fine in making this claim about a lemmy community but asking for links from the lemmy community is so difficult it needs to have research and an effort post?
This post was made with obscene levels of bad faith. No supporting evidence, nothing to point at other than external sites, all while making the claim that this lemmy community was guilty of what he’s saying. I am baffled as to why this user has not had their post removed at the bare minimum.
Hey I wonder why the people who hate wikipedia for documenting sources don’t like giving them out.
It’s he/him, my pronouns are RIGHT THERE.
Why do you think I made this post? What’s baffling to me is that you’re so ready to think bad faith, why do you think I would have it in for this community?
That is completely on me. I wasn’t sure of pronouns and defaulted to they/them. I honestly have no fucking idea how I missed the pronouns in the name. Genuinely sorry about that and I’ll edit the comments.
No clue. I do not presume to understand everyone.
Because I have asked you for the bare minimum of a single link from this community that backs your claim and you outright refused.
It really isn’t that baffling. I have asked, repeatedly, for literally any evidence of this community being guilty of what you claim. Any comments. Any posts. Anything. You have not. You have, however, added links to reddit and other websites. You are arguing against Turanism. I am arguing against your claim of THIS COMMUNITY being what you claim. You simply have not even attempted to reach the bare minimum bar of evidence. What else am I supposed to think?
Almost one month in and still no proof.
I should have been clearer then, I’m not talking about all turkic people. I’m talking about the concept of a “turkic ethnicity”, which I have heard even azeri people not be comfortable with, because the discussions about it tend to be very Turkey-centric. What I heard from them, is something that is not generally accepted by the people of those nations.
Pakistani or indian people claiming a kinship with turkish people is a whooole different thing that I have only heard about from turkish/pakistan online drama and not irl. And I’m sad to say the love they show for turkish people is extremely one sided. I don’t know if they claim to be part of the pan-turkic idea, but they are very much not considered turkic by turkish people. As for “turkic people from china”, the turkic idea has been introduced in the post-soviet states in the 1990s as a way of introducing anticommunism. You won’t find much, if anything from before that (if you do please link me). This has been now part of an op in china to destabilize the region and escalate tensions resulting in the terror attacks from 2014 and the subsequent crackdown. I would take anything diaspora people say about the “repression back home” with a grain of salt, until you were able to speak to people actually living there. Especially with the whole “uyghur genocide” thing you will see that again it is Turkey and the ülkücü movement playing a vital role in amplifying it and giving it that “turkic” legitimization.
edit: as for promoting ethnostates, this is the newest post in the comm that’s now on piefed https://piefed.social/c/turkic@piefed.social/p/2398904/do-you-think-a-turan-union-could-be-established. Also I should have just checked the reddit sub apparently lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Tiele/:
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