For those who are not clued into the intricacies of turkish (ethno-)nationalism, turanism is kind of like the odin-flavored racism in germany. They hate arabs so much they reject Islam (which is otherwise pretty core to turkish nationalism) because it’s an “arab religion”. It’s in a (not so coincidentally) similar vein to the odin-racists hating jews so much that they reject christianity due to it being a “semitic religion”. I could get into it more if needed but if you also browse the articles about the grey wolves (why are they called that 🤔) it should be fairly clear why that comm is a fascist op that is now being spread on lemmy

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    however, from my perspective you are overly broadly painting all turkic people with the brush you got in a turkish supremacist ethnostate. when i went through that comm before i was specifically looking for examples of promoting ethnostates and i couldn’t find any (though i did just browse the first page). if you have any examples that cross a line please let us know.

    That is my entire problem with this post. I keep asking for evidence of this specific community being guilty of what he’s claiming. They’re refusing.

    I’ve decided not to go further with digging into the history of it all.

    That is a refusal to provide evidence of his claims.

    Now he’s saying that it would be too hard because they’d have to do a bunch of research and what have you. Why? He just went through the reddit posts and grabbed a few links (see other comments in this thread) that supported his point of view so clearly he doesn’t need to actually do the research he’s claiming. Why is it that links of problematic posts from reddit are fine in making this claim about a lemmy community but asking for links from the lemmy community is so difficult it needs to have research and an effort post?

    This post was made with obscene levels of bad faith. No supporting evidence, nothing to point at other than external sites, all while making the claim that this lemmy community was guilty of what he’s saying. I am baffled as to why this user has not had their post removed at the bare minimum.

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      I keep asking for evidence of this specific community being guilty of what they’re claiming. They’re refusing.

      Hey I wonder why the people who hate wikipedia for documenting sources don’t like giving them out.

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      It’s he/him, my pronouns are RIGHT‌ THERE.

      This post was made with obscene levels of bad faith.

      Why do you think I made this post? What’s baffling to me is that you’re so ready to think bad faith, why do you think I would have it in for this community?

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        It’s he/him, my pronouns are RIGHT‌ THERE.

        That is completely on me. I wasn’t sure of pronouns and defaulted to they/them. I honestly have no fucking idea how I missed the pronouns in the name. Genuinely sorry about that and I’ll edit the comments.

        Why do you think I made this post?

        No clue. I do not presume to understand everyone.

        What’s baffling to me is that you’re so ready to think bad faith

        Because I have asked you for the bare minimum of a single link from this community that backs your claim and you outright refused.

        It really isn’t that baffling. I have asked, repeatedly, for literally any evidence of this community being guilty of what you claim. Any comments. Any posts. Anything. You have not. You have, however, added links to reddit and other websites. You are arguing against Turanism. I am arguing against your claim of THIS COMMUNITY being what you claim. You simply have not even attempted to reach the bare minimum bar of evidence. What else am I supposed to think?