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      yes, thank you, fuck!

      I don’t know why people don’t seem to get this. It doesn’t matter if they are being lawful or not, fascists will shape the laws to achieve their own goals.

      The law has always been a tool used by the ruling class to subjugate the working class, it has never been moral. Hell, this isn’t even just fascism, its capitalism. Even in Canada, the RCMP were quite literally created to control indigenous people.

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    The irony, of course, is if you want to beat whatever charges they throw at you, you’ll also have to be filming yourself the entire time.

    The YouTubes are awash with auditors who set up a camera in a public place and have the cops make up all sorts of stories about them to fabricate or threaten an arrest.

    Check your state laws about filming private residences, though, that might get squirrely.

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      In another video of theirs they listened to a conference they were banned from by catching the wireless mics rf signals from outside the venue. That’s pretty bad ass

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    Theyre different than his product because you would have a lot less information and arent able to follow him to his destination.

    I seriously believe that unless a guillotine is involved things will continue to just get worse.

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      Because refusing to allow him to commit crimes would interfere with his ability to make money doing it.

      Like, just stop screaming and let it happen, you’ll like it, trust me.

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    How to roll out nation-wide public cameras against the peoples interests?

    1. have a visible and clumsy company (Palantir) distract the public
    2. have a second company (Axon) quietly roll out hidden cameras
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    This is the thing that I don’t get about the legality of this shit. If I set up a camera aimed at my neighbor’s driveway and intentionally logged every coming and going of he, his wife, his kids… I could justiably be charged with stalking. But so long as I set up a network of cameras and track my neighbor’s every whereabouts with this network and sell access to this data to anyone interested… that’s not stalking. That’s just good American business.

    That is without the added layer of law enforcement involvement, tax dollar support, and absolutely no public say in the matters, etc.

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    The history of the US is filled with “nah, capital can do what it wants”.

    Nothing will change while power is consolidated in the hands of the few.

    I do wonder about who works at flock. Surely they have options to resist and sabotage from the inside.

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      I do wonder about who works at flock. Surely they have options to resist and sabotage from the inside.

      I have to admit, the fact that their HQ is within commuting distance has crossed my mind.

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    The answer is, he is an individual, and Flock cameras are not targeting any one individual, at least not in theory.

    Also, I see the argument he’s making. The argument is, if it were your child who was kidnapped, would you not want your neighbors to give up some of their privacy in order to turn cameras on every corner toward getting your child home safely? But the problem with that is, Flock cameras are not bringing kidnapped kids home. Neither are Ring doorbells, which are just as bad. What they are doing is making life worse for people of colour and anyone else They want to target. So that’s the problem. The parent can’t blame their neighbours (particularly their dark-skinned neighbours) for wanting their privacy when a child’s safety is on the line, because the Flock cameras are not bringing any children home. That’s not what they’re for, and pretending they are is bullshit and everybody on both sides knows it. We COULD use all this tech for good. But the people who run it don’t want to. They’ve proven this time and again. So no, they do not get the benefit of the doubt. No, they do not get to take the high road, even hypothetically.

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      The argument is, if it were your child who was kidnapped…

      (note we’re on the same page I’m just ranting out loud) Yeah lets take worst case scenarios that dont actually happen in any numbers worth concerning oneself over. if you’re worried just design a radio chip for kids arms that will ping cell towers and inject them with that. there your kids are safely trackable.

      this not only wouldnt reduce everyone elses privacy and security from the state but would cost less.

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        There are shoes where an AirTag (or similar device) can be concealed in the heel so children can be tracked. Apparently it’s well embedded and the child doesn’t feel it when they walk, and it’s difficult to detect/remove.

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          laugh I was thinking directly about airtags. Coming soon to a kidnapping near you: ‘who wants new shoes!’