Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said in an interview with NBC News that he will encourage progressive voters to still back Democrats on the ticket in November even if moderates are victorious in the primaries.
Just tell the DNC to ratfuck the primaries again, the people will obediently vote for the people happy to fund ICE at home and genocide abroad. There’s no way telling the dems they can do whatever they want without risking lower turnout can backfire.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave who became one of the most influential speakers of his time. In 1860 he had a choice. He could support an Abolitionist candidate for President, or he could throw in with Lincoln. Abe had said that he supported the Union over abolition. Douglas figured it was better to win and have a seat at the table than to lose.
edit -Alcohol Corn responded to this comment, then reedited his comments later.
The working class will never have a seat at their table, they use us as pawns to elect them and stay in power then toss our needs aside after the election.
Did progressives get a seat at the table with Biden? No, it just told the DNC they could do deeply unpopular things and still win.
4 years later, we had more deportions than ever plus genocide under Biden and now we get genocide and deportations to El Savvadorian concentration camps under Trump.
The American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA) was arguable the most progressive piece of legislation since Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Progressives absolutely had a table in Biden’s presidency, especially at the beginning. There’s a reason Bernie Sanders threw his full-throated support behind him.
I would very much agree he seemed to move further right over 4 years though, and his response to the Gaza genocide was really telling. And his cognitive capacity definitely decreased
Oh man, ARPA funded so many social service programs. Homeless services and public health in particular were hit hard when the Trump admin cancelled ARPA funding last year. Emergency shelters, rapid rehousing, permanent supportive housing, outreach, vaccination programs, medical programs for people without insurance, and the list goes on and on, this is just off the top of my head right now
Most of this money was distributed to local governments for local programs
Do you genuinely think policy like “free healthcare” is less popular than “subsidies for health insurance, purchased through one of 50 marketplaces based on how much healthcare you think you will need in the next year”? That genocide and ICE are more popular than no genocide and not deporting your neighbors?
John Brown was also an influential speaker of his time. A really cool dude. Though what happened to him shows that the US citizenry never had the stones to fight for what they believe in. They only think they do.
[John Brown] was with the troops during that war, he was seen in every camp fire, and our boys pressed onward to victory and freedom, timing their feet to the stately stepping of Old John Brown as his soul went marching on. — Frederick Douglass
Sure. Can you provide sufficient liquid F2 whose gaseous form can achieve 500 ppm over a diameter of 50 kilometers? A sufficiently powerful smoke machine which can achieve this concentration over that area using the provided F2 is also required. These materials must be transferred to the center of Moscow undetected.
Think you can whip up that grocery list for me? Or do you have an excuse?
The F2 sellers will have me killed if I try to buy it from them, since I’m on the US government’s kill list. It would be impossible to use my credit card, since the government would drop a bomb on my head as soon as I go to collect the goods.
Just tell the DNC to ratfuck the primaries again, the people will obediently vote for the people happy to fund ICE at home and genocide abroad. There’s no way telling the dems they can do whatever they want without risking lower turnout can backfire.
History time.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave who became one of the most influential speakers of his time. In 1860 he had a choice. He could support an Abolitionist candidate for President, or he could throw in with Lincoln. Abe had said that he supported the Union over abolition. Douglas figured it was better to win and have a seat at the table than to lose.
edit -Alcohol Corn responded to this comment, then reedited his comments later.
Kind of skews the actual conversation.
Even when Dems win I don’t feel like I have a seat at the table.
At best I feel like I’m at the kids’ table. “That’s nice that you want that, sweetie. Now eat your veggies and maybe there will be pie”
The working class will never have a seat at their table, they use us as pawns to elect them and stay in power then toss our needs aside after the election.
Did progressives get a seat at the table with Biden? No, it just told the DNC they could do deeply unpopular things and still win.
4 years later, we had more deportions than ever plus genocide under Biden and now we get genocide and deportations to El Savvadorian concentration camps under Trump.
The American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA) was arguable the most progressive piece of legislation since Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Progressives absolutely had a table in Biden’s presidency, especially at the beginning. There’s a reason Bernie Sanders threw his full-throated support behind him.
I would very much agree he seemed to move further right over 4 years though, and his response to the Gaza genocide was really telling. And his cognitive capacity definitely decreased
Did the ARPA help you personally or anyone you know, personally?
I don’t know anyone who actually got their student loans paid off.
My wife did, and it’s helped a lot. I don’t know if that moves the bar for you at all. (edit: before -> bar)
Oh man, ARPA funded so many social service programs. Homeless services and public health in particular were hit hard when the Trump admin cancelled ARPA funding last year. Emergency shelters, rapid rehousing, permanent supportive housing, outreach, vaccination programs, medical programs for people without insurance, and the list goes on and on, this is just off the top of my head right now
Most of this money was distributed to local governments for local programs
ARPA paid my health insurance premiums, in full, until this year.
Are you trying to Both Sides this? What nonsense.
I am saying the DNC taking the left’s votes for granted allowed them to justify the policies that lost them the election.
Right. Because a Black woman being nominated for President is in no way progressive.
The black woman immediately embraced every regressive policy that had just killed the Biden campaign.
You ever hear of “black faces in high places”?
A black woman sending your neighbors to a concentration camp isn’t progress.
She got 65% of the vote in NYC.
Mamdani, running against a know sexual predator and a radio shock jock, got 51% of the vote.
He got fewer votes total, and a smaller percentage of the vote.
I’d love to be part of a big Progressive majority, but I know that we’re a small minority.
Do you genuinely think policy like “free healthcare” is less popular than “subsidies for health insurance, purchased through one of 50 marketplaces based on how much healthcare you think you will need in the next year”? That genocide and ICE are more popular than no genocide and not deporting your neighbors?
I noticed that you edited your responses without noting the fact.
Looks good to people coming in later, but it’s dishonest.
Good-bye.
Spelling errors and clarifying a point that was ambiguous.
Edit:
Also it wasn’t after you responded.
John Brown was also an influential speaker of his time. A really cool dude. Though what happened to him shows that the US citizenry never had the stones to fight for what they believe in. They only think they do.
Well at least one contemporary disagrees
If you favor the ‘John Brown’ solution, why aren’t you in Gaza or Ukraine right now?
I lack sufficient materials.
Here you go.
Just apply for a credit card.
Surely a dedicated warrior like yourself wouldn’t balk at running up some bills?
Anything else I can help you with?
https://www.capitalone.com/
Now what’s your excuse?
Sure. Can you provide sufficient liquid F2 whose gaseous form can achieve 500 ppm over a diameter of 50 kilometers? A sufficiently powerful smoke machine which can achieve this concentration over that area using the provided F2 is also required. These materials must be transferred to the center of Moscow undetected.
Think you can whip up that grocery list for me? Or do you have an excuse?
You’ve got the credit card, get cracking!
I think we’re done here.
The F2 sellers will have me killed if I try to buy it from them, since I’m on the US government’s kill list. It would be impossible to use my credit card, since the government would drop a bomb on my head as soon as I go to collect the goods.