Donations to Luigi Mangione’s legal defense fund have picked up after a news report that they had slowed down.
    • garbagebagel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 year ago

      I’m not good at law but I have heard from people smarter than me that there are chances for at least a hung jury (I think could be retried) and there’s also another option called jury nullification, where the jury essentially says, “yeah we know he is guilty but we don’t agree with the law in this case” and acquits.

      • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        1 year ago

        The jury nullification thing pisses me off.

        I get that people don’t want Luigi to go to jail but wishing for juries to just make up the law based on the vibe of the case is just bonkers.

        The court system is a joke already.

        • mcherm@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 year ago

          I have two arguments to defend jury nullification. First of all, in our system “jury nullification” is NOT a policy. It is the name for the inevitable fact to that members of a jury can decide to vote “innocent” without being subject to some kind of interrogation.

          My second argument is this: I think jury nullification is actually a good policy, because the only thing it produces are delays unless fully 12 out of 12 randomly selected citizens think this application of the law is completely unfair. If the citizenry believes a law is unfair with that much unanimity it probably IS unfair.

          • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            1 year ago

            Well, to your first point, jurors cannot be held accountable for their verdict. Obviously if they could the whole system breaks down. Jurors can exploit this protection to return a false verdict with impunity, but it is exactly that - false testament. Others will try to say that jury nullification is an intended feature of the legal system but IMO it’s just exploiting a limitation.

            Secondly, you’re not talking about an unfair law, you’re talking about an unjust outcome. All laws will produce unjust outcomes in some specific circumstances. However a law against murder reduces more harm than it causes, so it’s worth upholding.

            To me, the idea of having juries decide to set aside the law in cases they feel are unjust is an absurdity. Imagine if Trump were on trial and the jury unanimously returned not-guilty despite obvious guilt.

      • Nougat@fedia.io
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        1 year ago

        Wait … how is that link working?? kbin.social has been offline for months.

        Edit: Ohhhh … the name of the community at LW is “eattherich@kbin.social” - now I see.

        • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 year ago

          No, you’re right the 1st time. It’s eattherich, hosted at kbin. It’s a weird side effect of federating. The original instance hosting the comm is gone, but all posts and comments go into the local instance first (in this case, Ozma’s posts to .world) to be federated back to the main instance (kbin). Since kbin is gone, that federation ain’t happening, and nobody from any other instance can view the content from their home instance. But you can directly view .world’s local copy of what it thinks the instance should look like, which contains all of Ozma’s contributions.

  • meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Donations flatline then skyrocket? Classic propaganda machine narrative. First they paint Mangione as a martyr—convenient—then “anonymous benefactors” magically revive the coffers.

    Wake up, sheeple: this isn’t organic support. It’s either bots laundering oligarch cash or the deep state stress-testing narrative elasticity.

    ”Legal defense funds” = Patreon for white-collar theatrics. Mangione’s either a pawn in their chess game or the sacrificial lamb. Either way, grab popcorn.

    Democracy’s a rigged carnival, and we’re all just clowns paying to watch.