Never stop voting?

Either progressives are a super tiny minority or that’s absolutely bullshit.

Because you wanna argue that progressive policy is super popular but somehow progressives can’t get their views in the Democrat party. And somehow despite always voting Bernie lost handedly in 2020.

If progressives exist in the number you think they might want to actually start voting in every single primary and general and actually take over the party.

Boy, you’ve convinced yourself you somehow are always smarter than everyone else.

They’d be a minor faction if people just voted in every single election.

Listen to what? Non voters didn’t say anything with their sitting home other than you can’t count on them even with fascism knocking on the door.

Quite the message.

And non voters should’ve listened to Bernie.

Id argue people might need to be punched in the face like they are going to be the next four years then realize not voting isn’t in their interest.

They should be voting regardless. If they don’t, fuck em. They chose poorly.

I use gnome and love it so not sure how that at all even relates here.

It’s completely irrelevant to your de.

Not really. She did talk about policy but media only ever highlighted her few minutes rightfully calling trump a fascist.

Not really her fault that media wants ratings and clicks instead of doing their job as the fourth estate.

Yeah, and maybe if progressive voters showed up en Masse we wouldn’t have had to rely on those two. Imagine that progressives. Imagine that…

I mean, why would the DNC give he left the time of day?

Passed biggest climate bill, forgave most student loans in history, rescheduled weed, etc. And yet? It’s never good enough nor enough to give them a chance to do more.

All with a threadbare Senate majority with two “independent” dems and only two years of a house majority.

It is BUT you are limited to their test servers for mobile notifications and they honestly suck. It’s a coin flip whether you get them. And if you want better you have to set up your own container system like them with firebase and Apple Dev ids.

I like it still but for a Greenfield project I’d probably try matrix 2.0 on synapse with element x as the mobile app.

Oh no, you accurately assessed fault. DNC sucks but fascism sucks harder. Great job non voters.

Thanks non voters!

Im halfway to grey beard at this point but didn’t know this. Thanks.

Yep. But try to tell them theyre at fault at least partially and they’ll just screech about Democrats for not being mind readers.

To some extent I dislike them less than non voters. Yeah theyre dumb and voted for a Russian plant who openly admitted she wanted to stop Harris but… At least they showed up. They did something.

Non voters are lazy fucks who deserve everything coming. They didn’t do the bare minimum. I don’t care your reasons. You let fascism in and didn’t even bother to do your civic duty, even if it was doing a write in.

Not sit around and wait for them to enact the agenda you want first and after that you’ll vote for them. Think about how training a dog works.

You deserve kudos for this. Very well put.

I mean, you have but clearly a ton haven’t. Witness the millions of missing votes this election.

I don’t think you understand their point. Republicans always turn out to vote for their candidate. Then they win (at least a good portion of the time) and they vote in primaries and move the party further right. For any evidence just look at the past 2 decades.

Whereas the left just decides to sit out and therefore Dems lose (or only win at odd times.) They can’t count on leftist/apathetic voters, so they go towards where they think they can get votes (ie. people who always vote and if they do convert enough they are profiting by gaining one vote for them and removing one from Republicans.)

Now everyone here is saying it’s soooo obvious that it’s a poor strategy but is there any introspection on behalf of the left/apathetic? How has withholding your vote or not voting in primaries gone? It’s been done for years and society has moved so, so far away from leftist goals no?

So their point is that it probably is a mix- surely the Dems need to actually run on popular policy and leftists/apathetic need to suck it up, vote in all elections, and vote for the best candidate. Pick your preferred candidate in the primary and then vote for the Democratic candidate in the general, no matter what (well- barring something egregious like…being anything like Trump.) Once Dems actually have power, you can keep pushing left. But if people just sit out, you’re not gonna be counted. Decades of that is proof.

Edit- maybe you mean you can’t win the center over with conservatism-lite. Maybe that’s true, maybe not. But someone mentioned Bernie finished behind Harris in Vermont so I don’t know that it’s a maxim.

If this election cost America the Republic then I would argue the voters cost it.

If you can’t be bothered to vote to save the Republic then it was lost already anyhow.

This is what gets me. Like it’s been proven to be a bad policy. So when people say it’s bad do people equate that with “leftist ideas are bad”? Like if leftists want support you should lead with ideas that aren’t bad according to actual data. There are plenty of ways to increase housing and do a ton of other stuff that has data backing it as being an effective use of funds.

Same with affordable housing. We had a ballot measure to basically make a big pot of money and “support affordable housing.” How? It certainly makes zero sense to build new housing out of that pot (ie. it’s expensive as fuck.) Do you just subsidize? What are the criteria? And what are you doing to affect the root issue that is lack of actual supply of housing? Are you cutting red tape? Are you removing minimum parking requirements? Are you developing transit and relaxing building codes (ie. higher is good) at certain lengths from transit stops?

I’ve long seen way too many leftist ideas that are more good feeling than good thought. Which is admirable to some extent but it also shows why they fail. Especially when you take into account that it would help the extremely marginalized but you’re also now asking the already poor “middle class” to foot yet more bills for something that they won’t directly see any benefit from.