The ages most represented among the dead were five to nine-year-olds.

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Just a note on this :

While it is probably just that they werent counted yet

It’s unrelated to the rest of your comment, but i wanted to underline something here : California has 25.2M eligible voters(, based on the VEP column from the document given by @multitotal above). If we’ve only counted half of their votes, then it’s there that we’ll find most of the missing 15.5M votes.
Since California overwhelmingly votes Democrat(, appr. 66%-33%), then it may be fair to assume 8M more votes for K.Harris and 4M for D.Trump, and they’re separated by 4M votes.
In the end, Kamala Harris probably got almost as many votes as Donald Trump but i’ve yet to read a newspaper saying that. Even if it won’t change the outcome of the election obviously, and i was too young/uninterested in 2016 to say if newspapers correctly reported from the beginning that H.Clinton ended up with more votes than D.Trump, i think that something so obvious/easy should have been noticed, or perhaps that i’m mistaken again and/or that they don’t really care since the results stay unchanged.

Just to add that a lot of people are focused on explaining these results by the votes of minorities, even if it’s mostly white people voting republican(, confirmations : 1, 2, 3, 4), yet when we look at it, it didn’t evolve that much between 2012 and 2020(, here’s for 2020, and here’s for 2024). I’m not saying that there’s nothing to say about the hispanic vote, but it just feels ‘less pertinent’/‘too simple’ once you see the ups&downs, i.d.k., there’s probably more pertinent infos, such as the inflation or something(, i.d.k.), here’s my 2cts on your election 🤷.
In any case, it’s too obvious to even point out, but journalists didn’t explained the results solely by the hispanic vote, so i can’t criticize some biases towards oversimplification here, and since i’ve checked i can confirm that the hispanic vote is indeed a noticeable change like we’re being told(, even if it doesn’t seem to be particular to D.Trump, but something that began ~20 years ago, at least here&there, but not here&there).
This seems like a good news for our instance though.

And if they don’t have the same source, it confirms the WaPo’s 65% with its 64.52%(, in the VEP_TURNOUT_RATE column)

we’re making some error somewhere

Yeah, you’re right, it’s too obvious, anyone can do 72.6M+68M+2.2M and easily see that it’s only ~143M out of 158.5, so we’re indeed making an obvious mistake somewhere. They’re probably simply not counted yet, as you said(, California is slow here).

It says those are expected vote totals for states where less than 97 percent of the vote has been counted

We may have understood it the same way, yet just to be sure : The turnout is counted normally, except for states where less than 97% of the votes are counted, in which case the reported turnout has been replaced by the expected turnout.

That sounds to me like a lot of Dem voters didn’t show up

You’re right, if they didn’t voted for third parties, if the votes are mostly counted, if the voter turnout is the same, and if republicans didn’t received more votes than in 2020, then where did these 14M votes went ?
Thanks for confirming that i’m missing something, don’t know if you or someone here have the explanation.

Ideally, stats by categories would be more useful to draw a conclusion, but at first sight it doesn’t seem so though :

At first, i agreed with the explanations based on the lack of cohesion of the democratic party, and the influence of Palestine, on the votes :

With most votes counted, the 2024 election elected D.Trump with ~73M votes vs. ~68M for K.Harris, compared to 2020 when D.Trump was rejected despite having the same numbers(, 74.2M,) and J.Biden was elected with 81.3M votes.
Furthermore, D.Trump would have received less votes without influent people like Robert Kennedy Jr. on his side, who still received votes apparently.
However, third parties like the libertarian party or the Green party received much more votes in 2016 than in 2024(, and the republican&democratic parties much less). Having gained 1M votes at most wouldn’t have that much of an impact.
(I’ve also sometimes heard(, mostly twitter, but here’s msnbc,) that the 2.5M muslim-americans voted D.Trump in opposition but that’s not supported(source), even if J.Stein should have obtained much more if these surveys were trustworthy).
While i can’t deny the influence of many pro-Palestine actors, i can’t really prove it by the numbers either, and some deny its importance. Also, the high voter turnout doesn’t favor the alternative of a boycott.
I only took a superficial look, so i don’t doubt that there’re many americans here who could easily correct my mistakes if they want to

Yeah, it was already the case with J.Añez coup, i can’t remember when i’ve ever seen another astroturfing campaign like that one. You had dozens of accounts with pictures, infographics and videos accusing him of being a drug dealer, a pedophile and rapist, …, the end justifies the means or w/e. And then it suddenly completely disappeared, and the last time i checked >90% of the comments posted back then were deleted(, i.i.r.c.).
I’ve quickly checked their “arguments”, but it’s more insults and insinuations than real proofs, the lawfare against his “human trafficking” is shamelessly using again these rumors because Evo is ahead in the polls, just like J.Añez did, they don’t really have anything solid.
Now such accounts are kinda re-appearing but it’s still less(, in number and intensity,) than back then.
Luis Arce doesn’t have any astroturfing campaign against him. Don’t really know what to add and a bit lazy to document myself more extensively on these accusations, and journalists hate him. At first sight a paternity test should be enough to reach a conclusion, w/e…

If anyone here is motivated enough to search through https://www.facebook.com/RadioKawsachunCoca, it seems like the article was mistaken when it said that Evo recognized having shot at the tires of the car, he was apparently recounting in his weekly emission what happened under tension, and quickly said that “he” fired instead of “they” fired.
I’m less than sure to have correctly understood what i wrote above. Usually i wouldn’t make such correction without looking for more infos, but my spanish is bad and i don’t have time for that(, i already spent a lot of time arguing on lemmy.world these last days), so if anyone’s interested&motivated, they could find the extract and see if it was an honest mistake or just another dishonest accusation from Arce’s government.
It also seems worth adding that they refused.
Finally, we don’t know if Arce received pressure/threats from foreign governments of what would happen if Evo became president, i.d.k., just thinking out loud here, it wouldn’t really make sense otherwise…

Edit : Yeah, ok, the mistake is really obvious, no need to check :

“We ducked down, since they were blocking us, we sped up, ran a fair bit, and the second car following us barely made it across, it kept following us, caught up, (I heard) more shots. I shot at the tire of the car that was there, it couldn’t keep going, and we quickly switched to the second car, and they kept shooting,” Morales said in an interview with Kawsachun Coca on Sunday.

The “policemen” obviously shot at the tire of their car and that’s why they switched to the second car, otherwise the sentence makes no sense.
They would be dead without a second car.

Another proof that the Arce government is lying with their testimony of policemen being shot at “confirmed” by Evo Morales Ayma’s testimony. He’s likely to be the culprit in regard to his lies&behavior.

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Yep, even if it was to underline that they continued to lie afterwards, the documentary could have talked about the famous instance of the “Hamas calendar”(, i don’t remember all of their lies), that hospitals or civil structures’ destruction was justified because it was a “Hamas base”, or when they said that it was a headquarter and they faked the existence of tunnels(, i.i.r.c.), or showed a picture of weapons in the m.r.i. room, and the first thing they did was to disable the c.c.t.v.s in the hospital when they came in, and their refusal to let journalists investigate anything, and many more, this documentary only focuses on the 7th of October, but it’d have been nice to list of the lies shamelessly brought in any conflict.
Also worth watching, among others : https://youtu.be/kPE6vbKix6A
And even if everyone knows, an article in April wrote that « Up to 57% of buildings in the Strip have been destroyed or damaged, according to analysis carried out at the University of Oregon » (here), and it wasn’t in the crossfire of a war, just a plain unilateral destruction by anti-palestinians.

A simple, but accurate i think, way to paint the situation would be to write that Israel is saying : « Love/Accept us unconditionally, or die », this unconditionally is what’s unaccepted and what should be the topic of discussion in medias seeking a solution.
Especially because the conditions are exceedingly simple : their treatment of palestinians(, including the refugees/exiled,) with their capital in East Jerusalem, the removal of all of their illegal colonies, and a.n alignment/friendliness with its neighbors. I’m ashamed that they ask for almost nothing in exchange for Israel’s implementation.
If that’s indeed the case and they don’t have other demands, then it’s important to note that the first&third conditions arise from the second one : remove the colonies, create a second state and help palestinians, and they’ll make peace with their neighbours.
As for making peace with Hamas as well, or a palestinian political party emerging from this good will, i can’t predict the future, even future governments will continue to be hated, Israel will stay safe as long as Palestine will be less developed, and they can play on their relations with their new friendly neighbours during the following decades to influence the future generations of palestinians.
A long edit to simply point out that the existence of the colonies(, and refusal of a palestinian state with East-Jerusalem as its capital,) is the only demand of their neighbours, when i discovered that i was surprised, Iran included at least officially sometimes, and Israel is still refusing, their greed is the only threat to their security.
(Or i’m wrong, and israelis are right to believe that they’ll never be accepted even by agreeing to a two-states solution(, which will eventually peacefully reunite one day), and removing their colonies, with nuclear weapons, etc., in which case beating people&countries into submission would be their way forward, overthrowing any country as long as they’re not unconditionally accepted.)

It’s worth adding something, because if the problem isn’t (only )their greed, but their belief that making concessions wouldn’t prevent a.n invasion&destruction of Israel, solely because promises can be broken, then the problem is solvable :

• First, they’ll need to obtain the words of all their neighbours, including palestinians if possible(, that’d probably be a requirement for Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, …). Palestinians should at least ask for 50% of Israel’s territory, as well as hundreds/thousands of billions for palestinian( refugees). Israelis can write ahead that they will aim for a peaceful reunification for future generations, as some countries do.
• Then, the hardest part is done and they’re saved. While they’ll not only have to act in the future for a stronger u.n., they can right now emit a range of measures ensuring continued good relations, with medias and populations polling requirements, with economic relations/interconnectedness, an efficient military&judiciary protection shared between each other(, while waiting for an even more effective protection/security in the future for every country), … If these requirements aren’t met by their neighbours and there’s no attempt at following them, then sanctions by the whole community would take effect, if Israel’s reason to refuse removing their colonies isn’t their greed but that weakening themselves wouldn’t solve anything, and that you simply can’t negotiate with people who refuse to negotiate, then they’d have to work on these requirements but they can be satisfied, it isn’t that hard, so i’m refusing the validity of the only reason i see for them to refuse giving up their settlements and finally making peace with their neighbours.

« A total of 1,030 people — including 156 women and 87 children — have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon in less than two weeks, the country’s health minister said Saturday. » (source)

of course it’s better than France since France is still colonial imperialist power and this hellhole was once SFRY

(don’t know why i chuckled at your “of course”, i’ve only spent a few days on lemmy.world and already forgot what Lemmygrad was like, quite apart from the rest of the Internet :))

I still don’t entirely agree with the term fascism, even if i could see how the rhetoric about muslims in France is close to the rhetoric about jews in the past, e.g., they’re destroying the fabric of society by not being french enough, and are a threat solely by their identity, an annoyance to get rid of, even an attack.
But their militarism isn’t as exacerbated(, which could be explained solely by the context), the same goes for their nationalism as well(, even if they’re not internationalist, and if hearing America first or France first, even at the expense of other countries, isn’t uncommon), and it’s always a bit worrying to hear them praise order and the restoration of authority.
They’re still in favor of bourgeois democracy though, without public plans for a stronger leadership, don’t openly support censorship, or express themselves as being a third way against liberalism.
They don’t talk about the “french race” as inherently superior to the others with a classification of the different races in a biological way, nor put forward the virile/military strength of the male in order to save the nation.
When they talk about our past you can feel that monarchism isn’t entirely dead in the heart of some of them, but damn, you can also almost even hear them talk of direct democracy sometimes(, although it may be a french exception).
But even if i personally consider the qualification fascism as an exaggeration since it can always be worse, i can see how it’s similar, it’s perhaps indeed more a question of quantity/intensity than quality/nature.
It’s just that being pro-capitalist seems enough of a slur for me 🤷, it means legalizing theft and heading back to a feodal society(, even if technological progress may change this course towards more inequalities).

some people love China and view it in positive light

Yeah, we don’t have that here, they’re a dictatorship that persecute its opposition and if it falls we’ll applaud this liberation. No need to explain to you why that’s bullshit and revolting.

extreme racism against Roma

That’s everywhere indeed, they’re seen as criminals/thieves who don’t want to work(, how could they without papers ?), people seeing their encampments sometimes think that it’s disgusting and should go away, even if they’re still allowed to stay quite a few years in the end, and it’s not to the point of Ukraine for whom i’ve seen videos of pogroms against the Romani people(, i remember a video where they were chased in the woods), this could happen if our economic situation deteriorates.
I don’t believe in national essentialism, or thinking that the poors deserve their fate(, since they don’t have the same ‘birth privileges’/‘starting advantages’,) instead of being born at the wrong place/time and just needing help as we all do… I don’t know if you have this expression in Serbia to criticize the actions of our government “strong with the weak, and weak with the strong”. Well, everything can always be worse, at least we’ve avoided the horrors of war…

Here’s something i’ve just seen that may be indicative(, or be a wrong example i.d.k.), if you translate these comments then you’ll see that most people are supporting the condemnation of two protestors that will live two whole years in a jail cell for dirtying a glass protection, absolutely zero damage was caused(, i don’t know how they attained the number of 10.000£), we’re not allowed to do violent protests and that’s the most nonviolent i could think of, it even made a bit of publicity for this art piece. I can’t understand the state but even worse it’s all of these comments that i cannot understand, they’re either against ecology(, why ?), or mistakenly believed that this art piece was ruined(, i doubt it), i don’t know, that’s the “strong against the weak” part, as for the “weak against the strong” there’s private-public partnerships(, e.g., highway tolls), or the tax evasion&avoidance, etc., you’re not going to hit the friends that helped you after all 🤷
It was retweeted by someone, Guillaume Meurice, who worked in one of the last public medias that we still have for more than a decade, and was fired, unbelievably, because of a segment in which he jokingly said while laughing that « In fact, Netanyahu is like Hitler, but without a foreskin », i shit you not it’s for that sole reason officially and nothing else, i can’t understand why a lot of people agreed that he went too far and had to be fired, in my eyes i’m convinced that he was fired for being probably (one of )the last “leftist” in our medias(, clearly not a communist propagandist/theorician mind you, we don’t have that in France except on the Internet, but he’s not against the idea of communism, he’s for a more humane capitalism, and criticize our excesses).
Here’s another example seen today, even if examples aren’t as solid/serious as mentioning statistics and laws.

Well, i’ll not make my review of the whole state of France(, not sure i’d be able to anyway), but here’s some anecdotes as well, could be worse, could be better.

I consider myself to be much more of a theocrat than a communist, i see the latter as a consequence of the former, and if i had to choose between God and anything else then the choice is immediately done(, the most extreme would be to ask me to choose between God and what i consider to be virtuous, even if i can’t imagine such situation).
I’m probably one of the only theocrat on Lemmygrad, but i don’t think it’s against the rules as long as i’m still communist, if you ever want to convince me that religions should disappear, i’m interested in such debate(, otherwise feel free to ignore this paragraph :)), the only thing i’m missing from reddit are those subreddits dedicated to debates(, even if it takes time).

Thank you very much, i forgot about privatizations, and initially thought you were talking about brand new industries 100% paid by the state immediately given to foreign hands(, the steel mill factory in Silesia being built in the 70s).
But yeah, it could have brought a lot of money to the state coffers instead of the same foreign capitalist hands. Our public workers have(had) better salaries and working conditions than private ones in France, and it’s strangely used as an argument against public enterprises rather than against private enterprises. We’re quick to say that these better conditions means higher prices(, but higher salaries means being able to buy at higher prices anyway), yet we’ll ignore that higher dividends also mean higher prices, and public enterprises usually have zero dividends as well as fewer salary gaps.

Well, in any case, that was informative, and i didn’t know about the gift of japanese state-owned enterprises to the zaibatsus, thanks !

I’ve quickly documented myself on the “polish economic miracle” a few years ago, but only remember that it was linked with millions of polish working in other european countries, as well as important foreign direct investments, you seem knowledgeable so perhaps could you redirect me towards some explanations for this, or take a bit of your time to explain it to me yourself ? I’ve also postponed the understanding for China’s success, this topic of “Why do some countries become wealthy and not others” is among the most interesting possible.
Also, having never heard of Poland(, or any country for that matter,) funding 100% of a company while leaving the dividends to foreign hands, i’m interesting in knowing more about that as well if you have the time and/or a link.

Wow, that was very informative on more than one level, i wrote answers to more than a dozen comments these past days and yours is probably my favorite, thanks !

The situation you described initially reminded me of accounts i’ve read from eastern europe, but then progressively i’ve realized that it’s probably the same in other countries with the rise of the far-right everywhere and the displacement of the Overton window. In France we’ve pretty much sold every single public company, and Serbia is incredibly much more socialist than i first thought, you almost don’t have any communists in France, our far-far-left political parties are trostkyists that are anti-Russia(, i’ll still vote for them obviously, our medias wouldn’t leave them alone if they supported Venezuela, Russia, etc., and don’t even begin with North Korea,) and probably consider China a dictatorship, while our “socialist party” has been capitalist for decades, etc. Serbia in comparison doesn’t seem worse, i’ve lived all my life without knowing what socialism means, you still have remnants.
Once capitalists are in power, it’s not surprising for anti-communism to be on the rise, please don’t blame the population too much for not taking weapons, we’ll have to do counter-propaganda ideally but our funds are more meager and i could understand if it seems like a lost cause. For that matter, i don’t think that a communist revolution is likely to happen in France(, where i’m from,) either, nor in the u.s.a.
I misunderstood what you meant by “there is no saving” before, i thought that you were, e.g., french or american, and deemed these countries much worse than your own, when you’re in fact comparing it the inspiring Yugoslavia of Tito(, believe it or not, despite its closeness, most french people don’t know him and forgot about Yugoslavia, and he would obviously be classified as a dictator for not having bourgeois democracy). I didn’t realize that your criticism came from the inside, but please do not despair ! Things change, and indeed these graphs show that Serbia isn’t as anti-China as you thought(, the same goes for Hungary), it’s at least one reason to rejoice.

Ah, and pardon me, but your grandmother seems awesome(, do you have any idea what my family members believes in(, i’m honestly not complaining) ? Having a grandmother that likes Lenin&Stalin and even believes that V.Putin is a crypto-socialist seems awesome/unbelievable, congratulations, she’s even surfing the web, and she stops when he’s talking about the replacement theory ? Man, we also have whole channels and political parties that talk about this all day, my grandmother has already integrated this as a fact many years ago and believes that immigrants are the cause of crimes, not poverty(, and is also certain that crimes are on the rise, like a lot of people, even if surveys show the contrary, we’re beyond being anti-communist by forgetting about it)).
(For the record, i’m not saying that being against economic immigration is immoral, but not treating the unfair causes is, because i’m picturing an hopefully false future in which we’ll live centuries among richs behind our walls, while the rest of our human family lives ‘exploited by’&‘poorer than’ us with, e.g., an inferior salary, if i’m wrong and international inequalities aren’t a moral problem, or will soon disappear, then let’s “save our culture from destruction” by closing our borders to these poorer/exploited guys, otherwise let’s focus instead on treating the causes(, while making sure it won’t bite us afterwards,) because i certainly don’t want such selfish future)

B.t.w., are you financially independent with your own place ? If not, it’ll get better at this moment according to my experience, some people are annoying(, but, i mean, your aunt still claim to be socialist, my family members don’t even want to debate so i’m explicitly told to shut up each time(, we’ll still love each other though, just that no politics or any other debate is allowed, you can imagine how watching the news while eating quickly gets challenging :))), but even if they’re annoying you’ll have to challenge yourself as this is the occasion to bring the best of yourself, to try small pertinent comments in a loving voice if you manage to, and take time to let them explain their worldview to you even if you already know it(, sometimes ending their sentences if it gets too long).
That’s just my personal opinion, we’re here to make this world a better place aren’t we ? Nobody’s perfect(, very clearly myself first).

I’ve got time, so we could be (learning from each other by) having a debate on religion and/or conspirationnism if you’re in a mood for that(, debating is fun and instructive ?). But i’ll totally understand if you lack the time and/or will to continue this discussion for too long.

Well, not necessarily, it’s only suspended not canceled :)

Then please send them, i assumed that you were only talking about l.g.b.t. laws.

This graph is not related at all, it’s from 2021 and it’s global investments, look at the y axis. Poland would barely be shown there as pixel.
And in the other graphs in your link you can see that US investments in Poland were less than Belgian or Swiss or Swedish

Yep, you’re right about the y-axis, i’ve read that too quickly.
And the other graphs in the pdf seem indeed to confirm that 2023 was an exception :

I should probably research it a bit more to have a more precise point of view.

I.d.k., but even if it was scrapped it’s probably counted in.

I’ve found this graph here :

This table here may be a good enough answer ?

I don’t know for the other years, and couldn’t easily find data to conclude, but the article writes that :

Intel, a chipmaker, picked Poland for a $4.6bn plant

That’d be 4.6bn out of the ~$7bn on the graph