One is about enforcing the safety of French people doing what they want. The other is about a more offensive stance. This is much easier to sell
You’re absolutely right — Fair point. The perspective of “diplomacy” does change things — I hadn’t thought of that.
Signals less Palestinian Solidarity and more nationalism, then though. But still a net helpful notion I agree. Albeit it weaker than “I’ll bring food to Gaza and aim at Israelis if I have to.”
without saying he will pay for [the aid]
If it’s about political expediency of signalling cost aversion is aid the big cost factor?
I would assume the expensive part of escorting aid is the cost of the military deployment, no?
I get your point about the Overton window, but I also see a flipside to it: the risk is sheepdogging revolutionary sentiment into the liberal electoral system.
The overton window becomes a carve out in the liberal accepted framework (even though it stays inconsequential in terms of action) which could be a way of releasing tension in the rebellious climate of french politics right now
I wish it were credible
His phrasing is a pretty clear indication that he’s not going to do anything.
escort citizen flottilas
That’s a very weird choice in a scenario where you have a state at your hand that can escort it’s own aid shipments at much higher scale.
This smells like he wants to weasel out, pointing at some irrelevant nominal change that Israel did which flipped the conditional “if necessary” false or something like that
Good point. Sure if you want, but could you edit the text instead to add a disclaimer before the quote?
You could remove the link targets for the donations too, to be sure nobody stumbles into it.
I do feel like it has a purpose as documentation of the strategic use of terminology of liberal Zionists. I know I already shared the link (but it doesn’t matter if it turns stale). It could also help if someone were searching for this org.
But as you like :) deletion is easier
It does kinda say it all.
I thought so too when I was reading “resistance to the Israeli military” — yeah we know who really does that.
Thank you for being a big person🙏
This stuff is super hard, even if a person is clearly well-meaning they may still be working for an org that hurts more than it helps.
The longer you look at it the more disingenuous it becomes (possibly an op or a grift). The language that bugged me in my previous comment is very intentional.
RSN renamed itself one month ago, it was previously called “Refuser Solidarity Network” — descriptive and didn’t aid itself to the misuse below. It’s website still is refuser.org
David uses “resist” in his text 7 times plus 4 times the new name “Resistance Solidarity Network” only once abbreviated (he really wants you to know he is “resisting”)
He really goes all in on appropriating “the resistance”
…build a new generation of organized resistance…
…community of resistance…
…to resist the Israeli military…
…Support the resistance to Israel’s occupation…
…Our role is to support resistance from within…
All words we want to hear on the left and the pro-Palestine camp. It reads like a text of an organisation that’s part of “the resistance”, supporting Palestinian Liberation when in fact it whitewashes Israeli society (the org wants to make the public aware of the tiny amount of Israelis who say “genocide”) and supports IOF soldiers.
Whether they want to subdue the pro-palestine movement in the west or just ride the “resistance train” to feel better I don’t know. A coincidence seems rather unlikely. You mileage may vary.
Yesh Gvul also supports “selective refusal”, killing from within “Israel”'s borders as internationally recognized is fine for them.
The org seems suspicious to me, but even if it’s earnest it still serves a detrimental liberal Zionist function.
PLEASE DO NOT DONATE TO THIS!
Instead consider Palestinians as the receipients of your money (alternatives at bottom). Edit: This is liberal Zionist bait.
^ ^ ^ TLDR ^ ^ ^
Are we paying Israelis now to not kill Palestinians?
No doubt of your goodwill OP. But there are serious “reservations” (to not use the term revulsion). Sidenote: “serve in Gaza” is a heinous euphemism to carry into a title.
Frankly their use of the term “resistance” and “solidarity” I find appalling (edit: apparently the appropriation is intentional).
What is their position on the thawabet? Will they actively fight their fascist state? Or are we to understand “solidarity” as “solidarity with Israelis”?
If they don’t want to have an active part in genocide, apartheid and occupation they can always leave.
It is better when Israel has fewer active duty soldiers. That’s about as much good will as I have about this. And this outcome is not guaranteed from whatever they are allegedly doing.
The only things you are certain to aid if you give money to this are:
Israel’s taxes
the normalization of this as “resistance” and “solidarity”
the material support of settlers on Palestinian land.
the normalization of Israel as a state
Abstaining from genocidal murder is not a deed worth mentioning much less heroicizing or donating money to that could go to the actual resistance or suffering Palestinians.
How dare they ask for money for this? IMO that either indicates they have no real understanding of or empathy with the situation of Palestinians (then they would beg you to donate to them instead) or at worst: they are grifting.
Please, if I got it wrong, edicate me.
v v v Alternatives v v v
give to Palestinians, like Adnan’s family:
Or give to decent organisations:
https://x.com/susanabulhawa/status/2101273396952625403
(I don’t have vast knowledge about everything in the donation space, but these come from sources I trust and I have given money to some of them — happy if you have other suggestions)
says the US supporter
…tune in tomorrow for the latest from “every accusation is a confession”
Damn. Their last “stance” was like them eagerly byting on a cyanide capsule after somebody asked them for the time.
Geopolitics […] is obviously reactionary to everyone who understands Marxism
TIL Lenin didn’t understand Marxism and was reactionary
You’re right, I recant. I doubted if he was willing to do that but OP swayed me.
Melenchon is not saying “I’ll help Gaza” (my argument was that he could’ve done so in easier ways if he really wanted to)
…but “I protect my citizens even if they want to help Gaza”. Weaker morally, but doesn’t come across as an evil trick anymore (but as a good trick)