I was trying to think of a pithy retort but the best I can come up with is “fuck off you sanctimonious bell end”

Entirely valid and I agree that continual growth is right at the heart of most of our problems. I guess most of my frustration comes from the fact we’ve had at least 40 years of warning, 20 more years of proper, severe warning and promises for action and now that we’re seeing day in, day out that all the warnings were right, we’re still not moving with any real purpose. I genuinely thought that COVID would show us what we need to do and how we could do it but nope, slipped right back into business as usual.

That wasn’t always a thing. This is a new and rapidly evolving area with issues that will be solved. Hell, battery chemistry is changing rapidly already. ICE cars have been death traps for most of their life and are still at higher risk of going in flames and just as violently, case in point the car carrier that went on fire that everyone just knew was an EV, wasn’t. It was a shitty old ice. Luton Airport too. Everyone knew that was a. EV. Was a shitty old diesel and that car park suffered serious structural damage because of it. In addition the AA claim that the majority of ICE fire are because of the 12v battery. None of this is new it’s just different.

We don’t have time to perfect and mature the tech though. That was 40 years ago. Now it’s whatever fucking works that isn’t fossil fuels and burning of them. It’s a damn sight safer than an ICE which is actually carrying extremely combustible liquids in it too. It’s not perfect but it’s better and this kind of " we have to hold off" is effectively supporting the status quo which is fuckig everything up as it is.

Can confirm. Have become a total energy nerd. Want more solar. Want heat pump. Watch how much we spend and how much we make every day. Tell everyone about it and have no shame. It’s a hell of a drug.

Good news. I installed 14 last year and expected if all went well to have them paid off in 12-14 years. Going by the last 10 months it will be less than 6. That’s from a combination of savings (1/3 of the energy bill) and also selling the excess to the grid (£164 worth so far) and all of Ttat’s at 55-ish degrees North too on a not ideal roof. Anywhere south of me should absolutely have them covering their roofs, there really isn’t a good reason not to.

Next up is top up insulation and replace the boiler with a heat pump. Possibly a second battery.

Is oftentimes better than a master of one.

People always miss that bit out.

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Oh look. It’s this one again. Honestly that list is like the worst fanfic from the people who would be banned by the horney hammer. Stop being suckered in and let the stories an characters tell their own story. You know why no one goes on about this shit in Star Trek? Because it’s not supposed to matter. Aspire to this.

I just started watching this again this morning. It’s a huge slab of nostalgia for sure, the music is cracking and some of the art styling and designs are ace but I’m not sure if it’s actually any good. It’s hard to separate the nostalgia from the critical thinking.

Let them get back on track with their DLCs and then we’ll see the money printer whir back into life. Paradox gonna paradox.

I had a couple of issues but that might be due to using Portainer. Currently using immich go to upload the pictures from the old immich install. As long as it pulls the albums over then all good as the pictures are all flowing in nicely.

The first 2? You don’t mean Doom and Doom 2, do you? Fuck, I’m old.

To add to the other commenter that’s already replied. Those three names, whether you know them or not, are very big in China and th Asian Pacific. They’re making entrance into the middle east and eastern Europe along with lucrative markets like Norway. Make no mistake, they are expanding out from china rapidly. BYD is the best example I have to hand, 12 show rooms in the UK in 2023 with an aim for approx 70 by the end off 2024.

Look at the Wikipedia pages on those three brands for more info, they’re not small companies alone new ones, just relatively new to EVs. But given the date of Ford and Stellantis and the other OEMs, I don’t think existing for a while os a good yardstick to go by. Hell, look at the absolute shit show of Toyota in this arena l.

The 3 was refreshed earlier in the year and the Y has it’s refresh incoming. They also update the cars all the time just not always stylistically. There’s not an “all new for 20xx” launch or the like that you get from others. The X and S now compared to say the 2016 are markedly different.

Also Nissan had the leef about 10 years ago so they’re not a new entrant and only have currently two products and I wouldn’t say they’re indistinguishable. Also I wouldn’t say that about the Seal, it’s clearly an EV and BYD is unashamed about that.

The existing OEMs need to get their act together. If you thought Tesla was hurting them, wait until BYD, NIO and Geely turn up in numbers.

What foods do we eat Vs make into fuel? Hint, they’re not the same. Sorry, there’s plenty of info on all of this out there you just need to actually look with an open mind. I’ve given you the resources to start but I don’t have the time nor inclination to continually fight these fights with people who make clearly outlandish claims and then just come back with “well prove it”.

I hope you do follow the links and go and learn more but ultimately that’s up to you.

Enjoy your day.

No, I’m not going to have to come up with serious evidence because it’s been all over the place for quite a few years. It’s not new that the batteries in current a recent gen EVs will easily outlast the car. Sure, early and probably current Leafs are crap but even they can last quite well. Tesla? Easy piss.

https://insideevs.com/news/722367/tesla-model-s-430000-miles-original-battery-motors/

Thanks for playing.

Sorry but I’m not going to be more thorough because I’ve had this conversation plenty and your statement that a battery needs replaced after 8 years is one of those classic giveaways for people who don’t actually look into any of this but rather just read the usual FUD and click bait. Go look up everything electric, read and watch their content for a good start.

Aviation is likely to be serviced by batteries or hydrogen for short to medium flights. Long haul and cargo is likely to remain fossil fuel based for quite a while due to the nature of the fuel caution uses. If you had said shipping you might have had a point, they can burn near enough anything but they seem to be trending towards something like ammonia.

What do you want me to say other than Google it for recycling? It’s widely known and has been for quite a while now. Unless you’re actively looking for the opposite you should have no trouble finding independent information rather than trusting some random on social medium. But here’s a few to set you off:

https://www.allenergysolar.com/resources/solar-waste-myth-debunked/#:~:text=The truth is%2C solar panels are already highly,developing around the recovery of materials for reuse.

https://solarfast.co.uk/blog/solar-energy-myths-debunked/

This one is from the energy saving trust, a non-profit government organisation and had a good round up of typical myths:

https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/myths-about-solar/

And here’s an excellent talk by a Dr who’s a specialist in the battery and energy storage arena:

https://youtu.be/tcJrUrp_Ygs

Incidentally if you actually want to learn more about this then Everything Electric is a good start.

Sustainable agriculture for food is one thing, to make fuel is something completely different and I think you know that but are being obstuse on purpose.

Look, I get it. You don’t like what you’re seeing, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong and it’s OK to change and adapt when presented with new information. The future is a mixture of technology that we have, are developing and haven’t even thought of. Biofuels may even have a small niche but that’s all it will be, a niche. Fully electric will be the dominant source of transport in the near future and batteries are going to make up the majority of that.

Right, let’s start with old oil. How much do you think is generated world wide? It’s about 1/20th of the amount of oil we use currently and that created not recycled so that number is far lower so really that’s a niche. Likewise wood pellets. Unless you’re actively chopping trees down to make into pellets you’re not going to have any real volume there. Plus as I said previously, all of that takes energy to be made into usable fuel. Where does that energy come from and also why not just use that energy directly?

As for the last paragraph, no, sorry you’re just misunderstanding that whole arena. Batteries are more than 90% recyclable and that number is going up as we design them to be easier to recycle. Plus that’s most likely 20 years from now on average. As for solar panels they’re aluminium (easily recycled) glass (easily recycled) metals (easily recycled) and silicon (mostly recyclable) and again they’re being designed to be recycled better than they were. Ontop of that they now last up to 40 years with greater than 90% of their original capacity left so basically they’ll outlive most of us on here.

We’ve grown plants sustainable for thousands of years except for in the last 150 where we have systematically wrecked the ecology at the same time as massively increasing our population. The average westerner uses 32 times more resources than the average Kenyan. Do you want to have the same lifestyle as they have? Because they want what westerners have so that means we can’t keep going as we are and have to change.

Biofuels are even less efficient than making hydrogen for a fuel cell. It’s the same as growing cattle for a burger. It’s way less efficient an energy source because you have to grow up to 10 x more feed for the cow than you get out of the burger. You’re better using that land to grow the actual food for you. Same for biofuel. You get relatively little out for the shit tonne of land you need. Still use chemicals which all need energy to make and transport and use. Then you’ve got to cut, transport, process, refine, transport and then use the fuel. Much better to use the land for food or hell, just leave it to be wild and soak up carbon. Then all that energy you were going to use to make the bio fuel, stick it in a battery.