Understand it might be hard for her at first even if she’s very supportive of trans people. You’ve had years to process these feelings, you can’t necessarily expect her to me able to process everything herself right away. It might have implications for her own sexuality, the future she imagined together with you, etc.

My partner and I are going through similar things. It’s still hard sometimes but we’re both really trying to make things work, so I have hope it’ll all work out. Open and honest communication is very important.

One thing we’ve had to work on is including each other in our processing, instead of one of us doing processing on these things and then presenting it all at once to the other.

My point, this entire conversion, is the issue is complicated and needs more research. Yes some statistical differences in strength seem to remain. That doesn’t always translate to an advantage in a specific sport though. As I’ve mentioned before, and your own post references too, bone density doesn’t change. Moving around heavier bones with less muscles is a factor in determining any specific sport advantage.

You also ignore this entire section directly after the part you mention:

relative percentage lean mass and fat mass (and muscle strength corrected for lean mass), hemoglobin, and VO2 peak corrected for weight was no different to cisgender women. After 2 years of GAHT, no advantage was observed for physical performance measured by running time or in trans women. By 4 years, there was no advantage in sit-ups.

Surely there’s more to it than just strength right?

Again, my entire point is the issue is hard to study and needs more research. Surely you can see the value in using non-athletic populations in studies in order to get a sample size, even though its not perfect, right?

You are the one saying the issue is a 100% decided scientific fact. You have a greater burden of proof associated with that claim, which you have not demonstrated. Until you do I’m done with this convention.

What actual scientific research was I responding to? You said “Then why do they keep winning in every sport that requires strength and endurance?” There’s 0 “scientific research” in that very firm claim.

He references scientific research and demonstrates the ginned up hysteria I mentioned.

We can each go around finding articles that prove the point of either side. The truth is that the topic is complicated and needs more research. Picking out the few studies that prove your point and ignoring the ones that don’t isn’t engaging with the body of scientific knowledge in good faith. See my other comment to you too.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37437247/

In nonathletic trans men starting testosterone therapy, within 1 year, muscle mass and strength increased and, by 3 years, physical performance (push-ups, sit-ups, run time) improved to the level of cisgender men. In nonathletic trans women, feminizing hormone therapy increased fat mass by approximately 30% and decreased muscle mass by approximately 5% after 12 months, and steadily declined beyond 3 years. While absolute lean mass remains higher in trans women, relative percentage lean mass and fat mass (and muscle strength corrected for lean mass), hemoglobin, and VO2 peak corrected for weight was no different to cisgender women. After 2 years of GAHT, no advantage was observed for physical performance measured by running time or in trans women. By 4 years, there was no advantage in sit-ups. While push-up performance declined in trans women, a statistical advantage remained relative to cisgender women.

You can’t prove a negative. You need to provide a source that trans women “keep winning in every sport that requires strength and endurance.” keep and every are big claims there.

The truth is more nuanced and highly depends on the individual person and their history. Some trans women never go through a male puberty, for example. Trans women on estrogen and testosterone blockers lose a significant amount of muscle mass. Depending on the sport that can actually be a disadvantage because they’re moving around typically heavier phrames with less muscle. There’s also differences, typically, in things like center of gravity. Less muscle mass (for their size/frame), a heavier frame, and higher center of gravity could cause a disadvantage for an individual in sports like wrestling, as another example.

The truth is we don’t actually know very well, scientifically speaking, and it needs to be studied more. A big problem in studying it more is that there are so few trans athletes and the sample sizes are very small.

Saying trans women are flat out better in “every sport that requires strength and endurance” is outright hyperbole bordering on being flat out wrong and does not engage with current scientific knowledge on the topic in good faith.

Never been a huge fan of his humor personally, but the core content here is nuanced and on point. https://youtu.be/flSS1tjoxf0

Umm, they don’t.

The perception they do is ginned up hysteria.