• PotatoPie@lemmy.zip
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    Work to change it, how?

    By illegally taking away capital from the people illegally fighting back against that change?

    You’re not in a democracy, stop solving your problems democratically

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        (1)In a democracy the people elect a representative of their ideology to govern them in fair elections

        (2)Both parties in the US in the 21st century start wars on foreign countries, lie about policies, submit to corrupt lobbying

        (3)Both parties in the US are not representative of the people of the US

        (4)The US is not a democracy

        Which of these is wrong?

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            When the “good” party eschews primaries because they cannot abide giving the people an opportunity to vote against genocide, that’s only democracy to people who like genocide.

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            4 is deduced from 1,2,3 the deduction is just using definition and the fact both parties lead to the same outcome to come to a contradiction

            Both parties have been elected (1), both led to (2), both aren’t representative (3), You can’t blame voters if they have no power over the outcome, there’s no democracy in US

            If the point you’re trying to make is that outcome is irrelevant and only voting itself is what constitutes a democracy then this needs to be applied to other countries as well, North Korea is a democracy

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              Both parties definitely don’t lead to the same outcome. One party supports cutting welfare for the poor and the other party doesn’t.

              The voters absolutely have power over the outcome. They voluntarily chose Trump over Harris in 2024.

              North Korea is a one party “democracy”. In the United States, you have multiple parties, more than the two that most people voluntarily vote for.

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                Both parties definitely don’t lead to the same outcome. One party supports cutting welfare for the poor and the other party doesn’t.

                This statement is inherently contradictory. So one party is for cutting welfare. If they win, welfare gets cut. If the other pary wins, welfare stays the same, or gets cut only a little (good ol across the aisle compromise). Next cycle the other party wins, welfare gets cut. Same outcome.

                Now, if the other party was for increased welfare, or for stopping fracking, or for naturalizing more undocumented immigrants, or for reducing military spending, then you’d have a point. But in selling the democratic party as the alternative to vote for, you can’t even bring yourself to say they stand for something positive. Best we get is that they’re not actively harmful on purpose.

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                  The “other party” doesn’t necessarily need to win next cycle.

                  The only reason Democrats can afford to not increase welfare is because of Republican voters.

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                  The “other party” doesn’t necessarily need to win next cycle.

                  The only reason Democrats can afford to not increase welfare is because of Republican voters.

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        It’s a gradient. Did you get to decide who you’re allowed to vote for? Do they represent your actual interests? Do you have a say over what happens in your city or your workplace?

        Stuff like that