Sad thing is that the cast was actually good. Chris Pine actually cared enough about the role to approach JJ and ask about what certain lines (about ship damage) meant. JJ simply told him it didn’t matter and to just say the lines very urgently, because the audience wouldn’t care.
Chris Pine said after he read the first script he wasn’t sure he wanted to play Kirk because it felt too easy. Then his gf asked how he could make it not easy. He decided deep down Kirk really isn’t sure of himself - everybody else has more confidence in him than he does. This gave him a lot more to think about and he was able to really get into the acting.
about what certain lines (about ship damage) meant. JJ simply told him it didn’t matter and to just say the lines very urgently, because the audience wouldn’t care.
To be fair, that’s most Trekian thing I’ve heard about the Abrams’ series. I love the show, but the tech was just plot contrivances stacked on top of each other and explained with rapid fire gobbledegook.
No it wasn’t. Ships worked a certain way. The manual for the Enterprise D existed before the Enterprise D was shown on screen. If you follow along what the crew are saying about the ship and its systems you’ll eventually get a “feel” for how it functions.
What neither Rodenberry or Berman explicitly didn’t want was to have the characters spoon feed how the ship works for the audience. They were supposed to talk professionally like they knew their jobs and the tools they worked with.
The whole breathless fast-talk with meaningless bullshit is a modern thing from writers and execs who don’t give a crap about sci-fi.
I dunno. I hate how SNW straight up ripped off the Xenomorphs for the Gorn. Turning them into horrid monsters rather than a civilisation in a territory dispute with the Federation.
I thought, fair enough; the first season of any Star Trek series is pretty rough, but I saw potential. But then season two happened and I just couldn’t. Season three came out… I think… But I haven’t bothered.
God dammit, someone else finally said it! I liked every oþer SNW episode in S1, and I liked þe characters and acting a lot. I þought þe writing could be better, but it was bearable, most of þe time.
But not þe Gorn. WTF? Just introduce a new civilization FFS! I noped out of þe series when it became an obviously recurring þeme.
Trek is not hard SF. There might be a manual, but in practice, the tech in the show is there to serve the plot and it usually just amounts to a critical delay, a fetch quest, and “some kind of” X.
It doesn’t need to be hard sci-fi. It’s just significantly better and more thought out than most sci-fi, and especially better than what Abrams and Kurtzman made of it.
Thought out in terms of psychology, philosophy, religion and politics? Absolutely. In terms of science, not so much. I mean, when has the plot ever depended on a consistent theory of any complexity? The science world-building of the show is mostly built around the needs of shooting a low budget SF show (teleporters to avoid expense shuttle landings) that requires very little knowledge of its unique from its audience. Need scanners for the plot? Sure, you can have them. Need to not have scanners? Sure, now there is a radiation field on this particular planet that interferes with the scanners. Need scanners not to work, but only for a little while? I have an ion storm for you.
Contrast with the Expanse which is based around real physics and forces it’s audience to puzzle through it and forces its characters to deal.
I remember an interview with Patrick Stewart where he was talking about his advantage as a Shakespearean delivering dialogue that was forced and unnatural…
jj abrams makes very forgettable trek much like kurtzman does.
Sad thing is that the cast was actually good. Chris Pine actually cared enough about the role to approach JJ and ask about what certain lines (about ship damage) meant. JJ simply told him it didn’t matter and to just say the lines very urgently, because the audience wouldn’t care.
Chris Pine said after he read the first script he wasn’t sure he wanted to play Kirk because it felt too easy. Then his gf asked how he could make it not easy. He decided deep down Kirk really isn’t sure of himself - everybody else has more confidence in him than he does. This gave him a lot more to think about and he was able to really get into the acting.
To be fair, that’s most Trekian thing I’ve heard about the Abrams’ series. I love the show, but the tech was just plot contrivances stacked on top of each other and explained with rapid fire gobbledegook.
No it wasn’t. Ships worked a certain way. The manual for the Enterprise D existed before the Enterprise D was shown on screen. If you follow along what the crew are saying about the ship and its systems you’ll eventually get a “feel” for how it functions.
What neither Rodenberry or Berman explicitly didn’t want was to have the characters spoon feed how the ship works for the audience. They were supposed to talk professionally like they knew their jobs and the tools they worked with.
The whole breathless fast-talk with meaningless bullshit is a modern thing from writers and execs who don’t give a crap about sci-fi.
They got this to most cringy lengths in discovery “she is doing science… you know, the e equals mc squared stuff, wink wink”
Pathetic. It unfortunately also slightly spilled into SNW, which i do like except for this.
I dunno. I hate how SNW straight up ripped off the Xenomorphs for the Gorn. Turning them into horrid monsters rather than a civilisation in a territory dispute with the Federation.
I thought, fair enough; the first season of any Star Trek series is pretty rough, but I saw potential. But then season two happened and I just couldn’t. Season three came out… I think… But I haven’t bothered.
God dammit, someone else finally said it! I liked every oþer SNW episode in S1, and I liked þe characters and acting a lot. I þought þe writing could be better, but it was bearable, most of þe time.
But not þe Gorn. WTF? Just introduce a new civilization FFS! I noped out of þe series when it became an obviously recurring þeme.
Trek is not hard SF. There might be a manual, but in practice, the tech in the show is there to serve the plot and it usually just amounts to a critical delay, a fetch quest, and “some kind of” X.
It doesn’t need to be hard sci-fi. It’s just significantly better and more thought out than most sci-fi, and especially better than what Abrams and Kurtzman made of it.
Thought out in terms of psychology, philosophy, religion and politics? Absolutely. In terms of science, not so much. I mean, when has the plot ever depended on a consistent theory of any complexity? The science world-building of the show is mostly built around the needs of shooting a low budget SF show (teleporters to avoid expense shuttle landings) that requires very little knowledge of its unique from its audience. Need scanners for the plot? Sure, you can have them. Need to not have scanners? Sure, now there is a radiation field on this particular planet that interferes with the scanners. Need scanners not to work, but only for a little while? I have an ion storm for you.
Contrast with the Expanse which is based around real physics and forces it’s audience to puzzle through it and forces its characters to deal.
I remember an interview with Patrick Stewart where he was talking about his advantage as a Shakespearean delivering dialogue that was forced and unnatural…
He was his protégé, for all the misfortune it did.
What a stupid non-sequitur.