From some quick research: Telegram, Skype, WhatsApp, Signal, Yahoo!, Bing, Trip .com, Booking .com, AppleMaps, all work in China for example. Waze probably works too. A lot of the smaller ones probably do too, it’s just the big ones that a) refuse to abide by Chinese laws, and b) would compete with the market share of domestic Chinese alternatives that are blocked.
By the way, if western app developers want to launch apps in China it is possible to do so, they just need to go through the proper process: https://daxueconsulting.com/china-app-market/
And besides that, what’s wrong with using Chinese apps when you’re in China? Many of the big ones like WeChat and Didi apparently have a translation feature these days, so that you don’t even need to learn any Chinese (although it’s considered polite to learn at least a bit of the language of a country you go to visit… frankly i think it’s rude for native English speakers to expect everyone to speak English wherever you go)
I have no idea about Lemmy and i don’t think that it really matters. It’s tiny compared to most other social media anyway and if you really want to access it in China, do what i said earlier if you want to use western apps: Just get an e-sim or a VPN that works.
But why should Chinese people be on western, English language apps when they can just be on their own Chinese language apps? There are more native Chinese speakers in the world than there are native English speakers. Why should they cater to Westerners when they are happy with and prefer their own platforms? Why does everyone need to conform to the West and how we do things?
WhatsApp doesn’t work in Shanghai, we had to use WeChat. Her emails also only went through after she left china. So Gmail is also blocked.
I’m not a native English speaker. I don’t feel comfortable using a language that I don’t control. Obviously I’m more comfortable with Dutch and English because then I can truly communicate how I want. Just far higher quality.
My wife has been learning Dutch for a year now, doing classes and has received her integration certificate quite quickly.
She still hasn’t spoken a word Dutch to anyone here in flanders. She doesn’t like how she sounds in Dutch. She’s embarrassed. So we talk in English all the time.
I don’t expect everyone to speak English, but it would be very useful for there to be one global language. English has the most non-native speakers globally.
Edit: your article states that foreign apps need to apply the great firewall of china.
I’m getting this feeling that china really wants all the information on their citizens.
Social media like lemmy is the way to go imo. No country owns the data.
Gmail is of course not accessible because Google is blocked due to refusing to abide by Chinese laws.
She’s embarrassed. So we talk in English all the time.
Nobody is going to stop you from speaking whatever language you want when you go to China. All i was saying is that you shouldn’t go to foreign countries expecting everyone to speak English. This is not exclusive to China. Luckily nowadays with translation apps this is not even that big of a deal.
I don’t expect everyone to speak English, but it would be very useful for there to be one global language.
But why does the West get to decide what that language is? Why shouldn’t, say, Spanish or Chinese, both of which have more native speakers, be the global language instead?
I’m getting this feeling that china really wants all the information on their citizens.
And the US doesn’t? Were you not paying attention to Snowden’s NSA leaks? Are you not aware that all US tech companies, especially the likes of Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, etc. collaborate with the US government and its intelligence agencies?
What China is primarily interested in is its national stability and the security of their citizens. They are not going to open the door to massive psychological manipulation campaigns by foreign entities, allow companies under the control of foreign governments to become integral to the functioning of their society (as this could make them vulnerable to blackmail and sabotage), or hand over their citizens’ data to US companies which may just as well be extensions of the intelligence agencies.
The US is no different in this regard. The US also isn’t happy with TikTok being so popular in the US (despite the fact that, unlike Google and co. in China, TikTok actually does abide by US law and even stores US data on US servers) and have been trying to ban it or fully control it.
If European countries had any sense or sovereignty, they too would act more like China and would seek to block out US apps, social media, etc. in favor of their own European alternatives.
Cierto, pero si van a propagar el idioma debido a que mucha gente lo habla, no estarán difundiendo el español de España. Será más bien algún dialecto latino (que si no lo sabías, es bastante más diferente que el inglés estadounidense es contra el inglés de Inglaterra)
Which western apps work in China where the majority spoken language is English?
Is Lemmy allowed in china?
From some quick research: Telegram, Skype, WhatsApp, Signal, Yahoo!, Bing, Trip .com, Booking .com, AppleMaps, all work in China for example. Waze probably works too. A lot of the smaller ones probably do too, it’s just the big ones that a) refuse to abide by Chinese laws, and b) would compete with the market share of domestic Chinese alternatives that are blocked.
By the way, if western app developers want to launch apps in China it is possible to do so, they just need to go through the proper process: https://daxueconsulting.com/china-app-market/
And besides that, what’s wrong with using Chinese apps when you’re in China? Many of the big ones like WeChat and Didi apparently have a translation feature these days, so that you don’t even need to learn any Chinese (although it’s considered polite to learn at least a bit of the language of a country you go to visit… frankly i think it’s rude for native English speakers to expect everyone to speak English wherever you go)
I have no idea about Lemmy and i don’t think that it really matters. It’s tiny compared to most other social media anyway and if you really want to access it in China, do what i said earlier if you want to use western apps: Just get an e-sim or a VPN that works.
But why should Chinese people be on western, English language apps when they can just be on their own Chinese language apps? There are more native Chinese speakers in the world than there are native English speakers. Why should they cater to Westerners when they are happy with and prefer their own platforms? Why does everyone need to conform to the West and how we do things?
WhatsApp doesn’t work in Shanghai, we had to use WeChat. Her emails also only went through after she left china. So Gmail is also blocked.
I’m not a native English speaker. I don’t feel comfortable using a language that I don’t control. Obviously I’m more comfortable with Dutch and English because then I can truly communicate how I want. Just far higher quality.
My wife has been learning Dutch for a year now, doing classes and has received her integration certificate quite quickly.
She still hasn’t spoken a word Dutch to anyone here in flanders. She doesn’t like how she sounds in Dutch. She’s embarrassed. So we talk in English all the time.
I don’t expect everyone to speak English, but it would be very useful for there to be one global language. English has the most non-native speakers globally.
Edit: your article states that foreign apps need to apply the great firewall of china.
I’m getting this feeling that china really wants all the information on their citizens.
Social media like lemmy is the way to go imo. No country owns the data.
It is possible that WhatsApp doesn’t work in China. I only did a very brief search to answer your previous question and some people appeared to say that they could access it without a VPN: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windscribe/comments/1cckjjt/whatsapp_works_in_china_without_a_vpn/
Gmail is of course not accessible because Google is blocked due to refusing to abide by Chinese laws.
Nobody is going to stop you from speaking whatever language you want when you go to China. All i was saying is that you shouldn’t go to foreign countries expecting everyone to speak English. This is not exclusive to China. Luckily nowadays with translation apps this is not even that big of a deal.
But why does the West get to decide what that language is? Why shouldn’t, say, Spanish or Chinese, both of which have more native speakers, be the global language instead?
And the US doesn’t? Were you not paying attention to Snowden’s NSA leaks? Are you not aware that all US tech companies, especially the likes of Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, etc. collaborate with the US government and its intelligence agencies?
What China is primarily interested in is its national stability and the security of their citizens. They are not going to open the door to massive psychological manipulation campaigns by foreign entities, allow companies under the control of foreign governments to become integral to the functioning of their society (as this could make them vulnerable to blackmail and sabotage), or hand over their citizens’ data to US companies which may just as well be extensions of the intelligence agencies.
The US is no different in this regard. The US also isn’t happy with TikTok being so popular in the US (despite the fact that, unlike Google and co. in China, TikTok actually does abide by US law and even stores US data on US servers) and have been trying to ban it or fully control it.
If European countries had any sense or sovereignty, they too would act more like China and would seek to block out US apps, social media, etc. in favor of their own European alternatives.
Spanish is a Western language of brutal colonizers
Cierto, pero si van a propagar el idioma debido a que mucha gente lo habla, no estarán difundiendo el español de España. Será más bien algún dialecto latino (que si no lo sabías, es bastante más diferente que el inglés estadounidense es contra el inglés de Inglaterra)
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