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    To go stand on his soap box and talk a big game a couple days ago, and then pull this bullshit is just a slap in the face. This screams collusion or bribery or some other shady shit. It used to be a conspiracy theory to say this, but, there ain’t two parties. Its one party and a few outliers that aren’t invited to the party.

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    As a non US person, it is deeply sad to read this two party crap even at this advanced stage of the collapse of your country. When are you lot going to learn that you already don’t have an impartial head of state, you don’t have impartial supreme court. Everything is political in USA. So you really fcking want to make sure you have more than 3 parties. You’re still not thinking outside the box, and you’re keeping this us them dynamic alive.

    With the weaponisation of the DOJ, the dems have Kompromat on them too. They are all scared. They are all walking the same line. That’s why Bernie is so powerful, and people are doubting if AOC is up for the job.

    The GOP is infected by Trump and anything from the McCain era is long gone. The DEMs have failed to lead since Obama. There are no two parties left. There is a carcass of an old political establishment leftover, and the only guy saying anything that makes sense is a geriatric that can drop dead any day.

    Two parties will always get you to this kind of impasse. Truly saddening to see the lack of creative political thinking on a progressive platform like Lemmy.

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          It’s a fine idea and despite being a longshot it’s probably the only way anything good ever happens in America again, but a word to the wise:

          You go into a revolution with the people you’ve got, not just the people who have their head on straight. The ideological mix of America currently isn’t the group I’d pick for outlining the underpinnings of a new republic.

          Not saying a revolt is a bad idea even, just making the point that we live in an imperfect world, and politics make for strange bedfellows. The sheer geophysical fact of North America means the rift between urban and rural can never be truly reconciled.

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      In their infinite wisdom our forefathers gave us a winner take all system, and when you only have one winner you get a two party system or minority rule. It’s just maths.

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        To have a real winner the president needs 270 voices in the electoral college, if a third party won enough States that wouldn’t happen, what then?

        Same in the Senate and Congress, if neither the Democrats or the Republicans have enough seats to have a majority because of a third party, they’ll need to work with that party.

        Just because it’s not part of the culture it doesn’t mean it can’t happen and that politicians won’t have to deal with it if it does.

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    And this is how you get folks to stay home on the couch in 2026.

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      What an irrational response that would be. I see this as even more reason to not be ambivalent.

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        I think you’re missing their point. They aren’t saying they are going to do that, or that it’s a good idea, they’re saying enough people are going to react that way for it to be a problem. It’s not good enough to be correct, you need to be convincing. Just because I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil doesn’t mean I’m not concerned that not everyone will.

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        I agree, but we should all be very well aware that most voters are going to act irrationally and conduct ourselves accordingly. Any logical observer could see that the Dems candidate wasn’t as bad as the Repubs in 2016 and 2024, and look at all the good that did us.

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        If you don’t vote for them… They will lose…

        They’re not a hockey team where it doesn’t matter if you participate as a fan or not. If they don’t get votes then they don’t get political power.

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          And what is the difference between them winning and losing? I’ve been voting for them for years and hating it every time and getting nothing but excuses.

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            The complete destruction of civil rights, a stable state, trade relations, diplomatic relations, the integrity of elections, the actual health if the nation, so on and so on.

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              The complete destruction of civil rights

              We lost Roe under Biden’s watch

              a stable state

              The Memphis police department got COVID money from Congress that went into the pockets of the officers who beat Tyre Nichols to death on Biden’s watch

              diplomatic relations

              We torched whatever credibility we had left on human rights issues by arming Israel while they carried out a genocide when Biden was president

              the integrity of elections

              Republican led states passed tons of voter suppression laws while Biden was in the White House

              the actual health if the nation

              See my comment about the destruction of civil rights

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              I’m frustrated. Democrats win and don’t get anything done because of republicans and then lose and don’t bother resisting the republicans.

              Republicans make things worse, of course , but democrats don’t or can’t make things better.

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                I’m frustrated.

                Of course you are. As am I. But that doesn’t mean I’m willing to just “give up.” Yes I’ll vote against Trump at all chance even if it means I’ll lose. Because I may not.

                I don’t want a leader who is fucking exciting or a firebrand. I just want a competent administrator who treats the nation as something to be preserved. And that’s a hard sell against a cheap auto-salesman like Trump.

                Republicans make things worse, of course , but democrats don’t or can’t make things better.

                But those are the only two options. So you pick a democrat and hope for the best.

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              You’re saying this in a thread about a Democrat who won. What is the difference of Chuck Schumer was there or not? It seems to be the same result either way.

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                Do you know how Congress works? I’m trying to determine if I have to explain what a “majority” means or not.

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                  Oh yes here we go another comment about if they don’t have a complete and total majority that they have no power whatsoever. What fucking bunk. He was elected as a senator by the people of the state of New York. He has a solemn and sacred duty to serve those people. It doesn’t matter if other people didn’t win election it’s still his fucking job. If he can’t fucking do it he should resign as should the rest of the useless parasites in that party who don’t feel they have any responsibilities left to the public.

                  What a useless party this is and what useless people who are loyal to it.

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            Them winning makes it harder for the Chuck Schumer’s of the world to come up with excuses for caving to Republicans. Simply electing anyone with a (D) behind their name isn’t sufficient, but it is a necessary step one of unfucking the country.

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                Yeah, fair, but those are all step 2 problems. Like, Fetterman has been infuriatingly awful, but Dr. Oz would have been at least as bad.

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                  We never get to step 2 because like clockwork they lose seats every couple years and we need those assholes just to keep a slim majority.

                  It’s been this way my entire life. Step 2 will never come.

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        Who are the facists in this context? Shubert or the guys he’s voting with? Asking as im not based in us

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      It is stupid to threaten the GOP with a shutdown.

      The GOP is already trying to dismantle the government. A shutdown would just help them do it faster.

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        Holding up makes the dismantling a legal affair to be solved in the Courts.

        This CR in Sec. 1113 (b) allows the President to begin sequestration, which basically renders all those legal cases moot.

        This CR as is is the sole thing Trump needs to avoid any more legal cases related to firing whoever he wants and shutting down whichever department he feels like.

        Section 1113 of the CR just basically says that if the President gets rid of someone under sequestration then the budget automatically adjusts to match no need to pass another budget, no need for Congress to get involved.

        The Democrats could argue for this to be removed to keep the cases in the Courts, but once this passes with this language, none of those Court cases matter.

        Well they’ll matter in that the cases will establish that they couldn’t be fired back in February but with the new law they can now be fired. So the cases will actually go on but to basically argue over how to pay the employees for those four or so weeks that they weren’t legally fired.

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          Trump has been ignoring the courts this whole time.

          If a shutdown would leave dismantling of the government up to the courts then that sounds like exactly what Trump wants.

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            It’s a delaying tactic. If the government shuts down, nothing can move forward. They can’t fire people and continue destroying offices because those employees all get paid through the shutdown but nobody can do any work. Any of the paperwork involved - pink slips, etc. can’t go through because there’s nobody there to send them or even read the emails.

            If a shutdown helped the Republicans, then that’s what they would’ve been going for in the first place.

            Every extra day it takes them is a day where things haven’t gotten worse for everyone and an extra day for the already fracturing Krasnov administration to continue to fall apart and eat itself.

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            The courts are fighting back. A lot of people fired by Musky are getting thier jobs back. The executive orders are being challenged and revoked. Trump and Company have been using a gatling gun of disorder, but it is being countered.

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        A shutdown would just help them do it faster.

        If this were true GOP lawmakers would be pushing for a shutdown themselves.

        I think the most honest answer is nobody knows what would happen after a shutdown with this administration because they’ve just been making up federal law as they go this whole time anyway, but really the fact that Schumer and Fetterman want this bill to pass while Sanders Warren and AOC want it to fail should be all you need to know to know.

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    Good news (archived), centrists up for election in 2026 and a bunch of other Senators are refusing to go along with Schumer here because they have gotten so many phone calls and emails from their voters about this one

    Keep calling them, this one will come down to the wire

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    if the cr passes then the administration will have a substantial slush fund from the departments and agencies that have been scuttled with which to do whatever they want with. a shutdown is really bad but the other options are worse. this is harm reduction

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    I don’t like Schumer, or anyone in Democratic leadership, honestly, but I want people to think through how a government shutdown would go. A shutdown would almost immediately be felt by many people, as services stop, federal buildings and parks close, and people stop getting paid. These are all things people don’t like, and they are also all things the Trump Admin are trying to do, despite being deeply unpopular.

    A government shutdown right now because the Democrats blocked a spending bill would be met with wall to wall coverage in the corporate media about the Democrats blocking the bill. The Trump Admin and the right-wing media would then have carte blanche to blame the Democrats for everything bad about the economy that’s coming down the pipe due to Trump’s disastrous policies. Unemployment? Closed offices? National Parks closed? Checks not coming in? The Democrats did that!

    Right now, Trump and the right-wing media don’t have a leg to stand on when they try to blame anyone but themselves. A government shutdown right now would give their lies plausibility that currently does not exist, and it would be unlikely to extract any concessions from Republicans on this bill anyway, because many of them want the government to shut down, in some cases permanently.

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      Your description of what would happen already happened. We’re past any illusion that the Republican party gives a rat’s ass about the nation, constitution, or common decency. Either way is a path through hell, but at least the Democrats could have had moral high ground and an ability to get citizens rally around our last hope for non-violent options. That is shot to hell now.

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      The Democrats should negotiate things they want I. Exchange for their votes. If the reps don’t want to play ball then they can pass their own bills. Blaming the Dems now is fucking nonsense and if Americans don’t realize that we deserve to rot.

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      A shutdown would almost immediately be felt by many people, as services stop, federal buildings and parks close, and people stop getting paid. These are all things people don’t like, and they are also all things the Trump Admin are trying to do, despite being deeply unpopular

      Yeah, so the average voter is going to blame the Trump administration for what they feel because it’s going to feel like a continuation of their previous well publicized efforts

      The Trump Admin and the right-wing media would then have carte blanche to blame the Democrats

      Democratic lawmakers are not incapable of responding to that bullshit and pointing out how the economy crashing and essential government services being interrupted has been going on for weeks prior to the Republicans failing to keep the government they have total control over open

      A government shutdown right now would give their lies plausibility that currently does not exist

      No it wouldn’t, that’s only going to work on people who were looking for a reason to vindicate Republicans anyway and who have never and will never support the Democratic party. The average voter who spends five minutes a week tops following the news is going to say “Government not doing stuff? That sounds like Republicans.”

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      You’re right. The GOP wants to blame the democrats for the economy and dismantle the government at the same time.

      A government shutdown would let them do both.

      That’s probably why the bad actors on lemmy are pushing for a shutdown.

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        THey’re going to do that anyway, make them grovel for it

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        What sort of topsy turvy logic are you going for here? That the best way the Democrats can oppose the Republicans is by giving them exactly what they want and voting to confirm all their nominees and legislation? The Democrats have been close to useless as an opposition party so far, because they can’t bring themselves to oppose anything in case it makes them look bad to Trump supporters.

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          Besides that, moderate lawmakers like Hickenlooper and Ossoff have come out against Schumer on this, alongside people like Sanders Warren AOC etc. Acting like this is just " bad actors on Lemmy " is nonsense.

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          The GOP is actively trying to dismantle the government.

          A government shutdown is in itself a method of dismantling the government.

          It’s literally giving the GOP what they want.

          That’s not topsy turvy logic. That’s common sense.