The “left” has gotten sick of his act as he keeps moving further and further right in order to appease republicans. I doubt he makes it far if he runs for president unless he switches sides and goes full republican, which wouldn’t be surprising.
At least this will probably end his political career. The left really doesn’t need another rich liberal pushing for status quo, and Newsom has shown he’s effectively just that.
All of this is likely to shift his image and potentially woo some right-wing voters in a future election and… Nah. I’m not about that. Too much of that.
I listened to his podcast, and he’s clearly trying to appeal across the aisle. Since anti-trans rhetoric has been heavily weaponized, the topic inevitably came up. My takeaway was that trans rights feel distant from most people’s daily lives, or they’re something parents don’t want their young kids exposed to, which can end up pushing some people away.
Overall, I didn’t think it was terrible. The first episode was rough—Gavin seemed unprepared and on the defensive with his guest. The second episode was better since he had a longer history with that guest, making for a smoother conversation. I’m not a fan of him openly seeking advice from Conservatives on running a campaign, but it does offer some insight.
May the gods smile on Katie Porter’s candidacy.
Only the 2nd podcast episode in and ANOTHER anti-trans guest.
Sports are stupid and people should just give less of a shit about them in general. Its not the end of the world for a person just because they cant play sports.
Not a single trans person i know actually gives a shit about sports, if being in womens sports is part of the agenda its pretty far down the list. Youd think based on how much its talked about there is some kind of massive invasion when nothing is really happening (hmm a familiar strategy). Most of these people who pretend to care can’t even name 3 women in the sport theyre pretending to rage about, let alone name a trans women whos dominating in a given sport.
Its because not enough people pushed back over the “bathrooms” because so few people even feel “comfortable” using a public rest room at all and just want to be left alone. They cant convince liberals all trans people are bathroom rapists but its a lot easier to do with sports when some of the same HRT meds is what cis people use to gain an advantage in some sports, its very easy to mudy the waters that way and shift public opinion.
Liberal DeSantis thinks he’s going to be president.
This is how he’s trying to win the favor of party leadership. Demonstrating that he can enthusiastically throw vulnerable minorities under the bus.
He not only burnt his state down literally, but also now speaks to anti-LGBTQ+ pundits.
You guys are mad at him but he is taking the same stance that the majority of people have on it.
Whether or not he actually believes that stance only he would know, but I would suspect that like many other people who are now “flipping” on the trans athletes these people probably didn’t support them being in women’s sports, but felt compelled to say they did because of the backlash they were worried about getting.
Now that people are noticing that the general public actually doesn’t want this they are either playing into to popular stance to take or they are just feeling safe to actually express their opinions on the matter authentically.
If you think that “trans athletes” is a legitimate political concern, then you’re a dummy at best and a fascist at worst. No surprise it’s a major issue in the heart of empire.
Well it is a political concern in the sense that it’s realists and delusionals coming to a point where they can’t co-exist anymore.
You’re trying to convince people seahorses can actually fly despite everyone clearly being able to see that they cannot.
You have delusion going up against objective facts and you’re trying to get everyone on board with the delusion which will never work.
99% of people do not give a shit if someone wants to identify as trans as long as they are an adult and they aren’t trying to enter into spaces that belong to the biological gender they are now identifying as.
Where you lose people is when you involve children and when you try to make the argument that trans people are exactly the same as their bilogical mirrors. Everyone knows they are not. It is lunacy to try and pretend they are.
I will happily call them by their prefer name/gender and I will do my best to use neutral terms when I remember, but don’t vilify people for making honest mistakes. Long before the whole transgender topic really blew up I remember accidentally mis gendering people on the phone a few times because I thought they sounded masculine or feminine. There was no ill intent and they didn’t take it as such. They simply corrected me and I apologized and we moved on. That same interaction now has been turned into its own genre of rage bait video for some people.
Trans lives matter. The public opinion will shift as it has throughout history. Trans people aren’t going to go away.
Yes but it has not shifted yet, and the backlash is massive. So until public opinion shifts this is the stance to take in order to win. Reminder that Obama ran opposing gay marriage.
The reality is that in a democracy, minorities need to win their rights by convincing the majority that they deserve them. As awful as that sounds, it’s the reality. So the trans movement still has a long fight ahead.
What backlash? All I see is Republicans making a mountain out of a molehill.
And the democrats stay silent which is an admission of their support. The republicans will keep twisting this knife like they always do with cultural issues ,and it will keep winning them points unless democrats come out and speak plainly against these issues or at least take the most neutral of stances. People dislike it so much they they’d rather vote for Trump or not at all than support trans women in sports or transitioning minors. This is the line that a lot of “common sense” liberals won’t cross and they so happen to be the kind of voters that win elections. I’m sorry to say but the trans community will need to keep fighting for at least a decade or two more I think.
Nobody said they didn’t matter?
Not wanting trans women to compete against biological women in sports does not mean people want them to “go away”. It means they aren’t the same as biological women and people are tired of you guys pretending that they are.
When you look people in the eyes and tell them that a biological man that now identifies as a woman can actually get pregnant (despite lacking the biological requirements to do so) you are asking them to ignore reality and science which most people simply aren’t willing to do.
Ozma has attached an article you really need to read about the myths. But also, why are you bringing up trans women being able to get pregnant? Is that what you define as a biological woman? Because there are plenty of cis women who aren’t able to get pregnant. No one is saying trans women can get pregnant, until we have womb transplants that is. But right now? No one says trans women can get pregnant. But we do say that after hormones the differences between cis women and trans women really isn’t a big difference besides born with equipment.
Also your insistence with using “biological” instead of cis while still saying that you don’t think trans women should disappear really isn’t helping your case. Just use cis, what’s wrong with that? The term biological is being used by the right to invalidate trans women being women at all, cis is what they are. Just use that word.
Linguistic and logical gymnastics are not convincing. Just because you can do cartwheels around the definition of a woman doesn’t mean that you are correct and it just makes you much less likely to convince someone who is not convinced because it comes off as a bad faith argument or a straw man . Trans women are not the same as women that are born women. If you begin the conversation from there then you might be able to win more support from the so called “everyday American”. If you can’t then nothing will change.
No centrist cares. They have an excuse for breaking solidarity with a vulnerable minority.
Geez, y’all go overboard with some of this stuff and it’s ridiculous. Newsom is not anti-trans, he’s not anti-LGBTQ+, and he’s not against any rights of any other marginalized communities as far his other statements and actions assert. He said he thought the sports issue was “deeply unfair”.
Guess what? Lots of people do. I hate to use a meme phrase, but we DO live in a society that has to somehow represent all people where possible. We have to try and make as many people happy with what we have to work with.
You can think that’s an unfair situation for BOTH SIDES and not be against either one. Cis women thinking it’s unfair to compete against newly transitioned women are bad now? Women are suddenly bad or wrong for speaking out on something they take issue with? What about them?
Is Newsom on the wrong side of society for being an advocate in all other ways to the LGBTQ+ community but thinking this one thing isn’t fair to either side? No. That’s a stupid assertion.
It’s a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren’t further marginalized.
Get a grip with this bullshit.
No one ever talks about all those times Benedict Arnold didn’t betray the US.
Lol are you kidding??? Now he’s Benedict Arnold. My fucking God. It’s like it’s impossible to help yourself to be reasonable and understand not everyone will agree with your exact definition or view of everything, and STILL not be against that. Totally okay for you do that though…
Yeah, he would’ve had to pretend to be an ally in order to betray people.
But it wasn’t just sports, he also agreed that minors shouldn’t be allowed to transition. Forcing a minor to go through one type of puberty when they wish to go through a different kind IMO is torture. Regret rates for transitioning are extremely low, and even if you do regret it you’re no worse off than someone who regrets not transitioning.
This isn’t just about trans people in sports. He is giving his platform to bigots who are anti-trans people existing in hopes of getting their support in 2028. It’s gross.
“It’s a complicated issue that nobody seems to have a great idea on how to solve to make everyone happy as of yet, and we have bigger societal issues for Trans people that are more pressing than fucking sports. Like protecting their existence and making sure they aren’t further marginalized.”
Giving platforms to bigots make this much harder. Why give them greater access?
“Deplatforming” people is explicitly the reason why the far right has gained so much power. We used to bring the KKK to tv and they always embarrassed themselves. When you deplatform people you in fact send them to platforms where they can control the narrative, and where everyone agrees or won’t disagree with them (like Joe Rogan). Instead platform them and put them in a position in which they have to defend their views against someone who disagrees with them.
Forbidden ideology is as alluring as forbidden knowledge.
Bro, you’re saying we should give racists microphones so they can recruit more racist shit bags, what the fuck are you smoking?
Im saying that shunning everyone from the right is giving the racists a platform, a stage and an audience in which they can still recruit more racist shitbags but without any opposition and even more disimformation.
They built an entire eco system under your noses, and they have as much reach and influence as the “mainstream” ecosystem. That would have never happened without this whole deplatforming people bullshit for even the smallest disagreement with the agenda mentality. This is why far right ideology is spreading more than ever. You cannot suppress ideology, when you do you only make it more appealing to the kind of people who are already susceptible to it.
You know there’s a difference between letting someone’s objectively garbage opinions watch adults do the right thing and validating those opinions on large platforms?
It’s not a difference in opinion anyway, it’s a huge lie fueled by high-octane hate. They aren’t serious people and are not coming to the table with any intention of talking in good faith. If they even slightly cared about reality they wouldn’t have these views and as the old saying goes “you can’t logic someone out of an argument they didn’t logic themselves into”.
The reason this has gone on for so long is because Americans are spineless and enable this behaviour. They are thoroughly afraid of upsetting the status quo and so the best they can do is weak centrism while validating and giving confidence to the worst people you know. It isn’t the right-wing echo chambers, those have always existed and will continue to exist, it’s the fact that the public at large allows those echo chambers to grow by doing literally nothing about it or even helping because “balance”.
OH AND ALSO the right owns most of the mainstream media, like the enormity that is FOX-FUCKING-NEWS, and loves to deplatform progressive opinions. They enact huge amounts of censorship all the time and consider words like “cisgender” a slur while asking for trans people to live in silence and fear. Don’t come in here acting like they’re poor little oppressed babies.
You’re a clown.
It’s not validating them it’s about not letting them fester in the shadows where they can create social unrest like they are doing now. And it is a difference in opinion in a few ways, like I don’t hate trans people but I for the life of me no matter what cannot state that trans women are the same as a assigned at birth women. The fact that I had to sit and think for a moment there about which words to use so that it cannot be twisted through rhetoric highlights that. I have no hate against trans people though, I’ve even been involved with one. But to say that they are the same? I can’t trick my brain that way especially if they don’t pass. So you might say that it is a fact that trans women are women, but due to the lack of hard scientific evidence of that (and of what my own two eyes tell me) Im just gonna call it an opinion and disagree with you.
Also the reason the echo chambers are allowed to grow is because you live in a country in which freedoms of expression is a right, an almost holy one one would think, so it’s legal to say whatever hateful thing you want and be a part of hate groups. It’s enshrined in the constitution and that’s not gonna change. There’s no legal basis to disrupt them unless they act on their rhetoric.
The best you can do is not let them control the narrative and give them the spotlight a little in places where they will meet resistance so they can embarrass themselves like they always do. We used to bring the KKK on tv and they basically stopped existing for a long while after that.
This idea that letting someone speak in a forum is validating their opinions is ridiculous and is the reason we are where we are.
Sorry, I bit your head off, I’m just so angry these days, thank you for taking the time to explain it to me
Everyone is, which is why we kinda need to take a step back and maybe listen and even if we disagree on the conclusions you’ll find the root grievances to be the same.
That kinda falls down when you invite them on your show and agree with them.
Not offering someone a guest spot on your show isn’t deplatforming them. They aren’t the same thing.
I know that. Hence the implication that we should actually be platforming them.
Logic says that what he’s doing is what he said: bridge the gap between opposing forces in society.
Rationale says that he’s trying to appease a wider audience to run for President.
Do I like it? Not a fucking bit. Is either solution necessary to keep operating in politics? Absolutely.
Im not sure you have to platform bigots. You could have on conservative guests who don’t have a history of hateful comments.
I could talk to JD Vance about stopping this bullshit with the tariffs, but he wouldn’t be the person to talk to about that, right?
Did newsom do that here? Because it sure looks like he brought charlie kirk on his podcast to make a point of agreeing with him about trans people.
Wow, he must just totally be lying about that now too. Where will his madness end???
Would you say Vance isn’t a bigot?
Logic says that what he’s doing is what he said: bridge the gap between opposing forces in society.
Centrism’s holy grail is common ground between bigots whose approval they seek and… whatever whiny minority wants unreasonable shit like equality.
Newsflash. In a democracy, the bigots still get to vote. And if there are more bigots than minorities then the bigots get to keep the minorities down. The minorities effectively need to convince the bigots to give them the rights. But this whole rhetoric is bs, trans people have equal rights, not equal acceptance into society, but the government can’t really force that.
No one who is in favor of trans women in sports, or for minors to have any form of hormonal treatment is gonna win an election and trust me that for a lot of people those two issues, while they will never affect them, are greater than any economic issue. It tends to cause such an emotional reaction in people that it overrides everything else.
This is the political reality that a would be candidate needs to grapple with.
Exactly.
In some cases, sure I’ll grant it can be unfair for newly transitioned women, i.e. on hormones for less than a year. After that, any potential advantage is for a large part nullified (which is overly simplistic as a timeline but whatever). Also, let’s be real honest on just how many people this affects. The amount is so staggeringly small that even if we put aside that there is only a temporary advantage, there’s really not much of a problem, just a handful of individuals.
But, and this is vitally important to understand, sports are not a core, vital governmental interest and thus do not need to be legislated. To be very plain, games are not important to the functioning of society. Individual leagues can come up with their own policies if they feel it so necessary to exclude the small number of trans women who want to participate.
The entire “debate” just shows we are not a serious society. God forbid trans women want to exist and pursue their interests.
As for Gavin Newsome, this really shows he’s trying a bit too hard to start a presidential run with a theory of “let’s be Republican Lite.” That worked so well the last time.
Did we listen to the same interview where he asked Charlie Kirk what policies they should borrow from MAGA and eventually landed on banning trans women from sports?
Yeah, and he shot Kirk down and ignored all the other idiotic shit, and the only common ground he found was…this. He didn’t even say he was against it ffs, just that it was unfair. Immediately everyone started up the “HE’S ANTI-TRANS” flagpole and refused to come back down. It’s insane.
Anti trans is anti woman.
That is categorically untrue. Sit and think about your comment for a few minutes.
Lol, many of us saw this coming when you first posted here. We already know your opinion on the matter and asking us to think more on it just makes you look… less flattering.
Can’t have someone saying bad things about the anti-trans movement.
I have been thinking about it since Rowling made her dumb comments. Civil rights are human rights.
It’s not unfair for trans women to play in sports though! His answer is what I expect from someone who hasn’t done their homework on the topic, which would be strange for a potential presidential candidate. I read this not as ignorance, but as a political calculation.
I read it as either cowardice or malice.
Then why you keep passin’ the hot mic to people talkin’ shit about trans athletes? Why amplify that voice on your government podcast? Thats literally Nazi shit. The Nazis made all this “traditional family” bullshit we are drowning in. So no, he shouldn’t be saying it and isolating the already vulnerable. Theres like 10 trans althetes in the fucken nation, leave them alone and fix the fucken markets.
Youre really leaning into my point. You’re going out of your way to equate random shit that has nothing to do with his actions or anything other things he’s done, but only that…he said the sports issue was deeply troubling. Nevermind the piece of shit he was talking to, which is way more troubling. Get mad that he was talking to Charlie Kirk of all people.
That’s what we are complaining about. His second guest is also a known transphobe.
Did you even read the post linked? This is the subheading: “California’s Democratic governor was once considered an LGBTQ+ ally. So, what’s with the heel turn?”
You don’t think that’s a bit of an irrational headline? Newsom isnt turning heel, or abandoning a community, or anti-gay/trans/LGBTQ…he’s attempting to bridge a communication gap and find common ground with someone is ideological opposite him. It’s very clear from listening to this.
There’s this sophomoric element in the online world where people latch onto a single example of something they don’t like, and immediately rail against it and use it to tout and amplify their own ideas and beliefs by shouting people down. It doesn’t work and never has. It creates echo chambers for sure, but it doesn’t solve problems or change minds. Talking with people who don’t agree with your point of view is the only way to gain an understanding, and possibly shift some views or find some sort of common ground. Civil rights leaders throughout history sure seemed to understand that, but people seem to want to ignore that now. I don’t see people jumping all over Jon Stewart for having people on TDS who he clearly does not agree with, as an example.
Charlie Kirk IS a humongous piece of shit, an abuser, a hater of women, and all kinds of other bad shit. Does he have people that listen to him? Yup. Will completely ignoring that and isolating yourself from him and his uncle followers and advance the general politiknor help change any minds? Sure as shit didn’t seem to happen in the last election, so…
He has two episodes and he has platformed bigots who aren’t rational conservatives so it’s entirely possible he has turned his back on the LGBTQ+ community.
Do you honestly think the people who support Kirk will support Newsom? I dont
That’s the point… He brought on Charlie Kirk, and rather than, arguing with him… or trying to show his audience why what Kirk has to say shouldn’t have a place in the discourse. He basically was looking for something he can agree with and highlighting the good.
That’s not how you change minds or find common ground with people who are ideological opposite of you. It doesn’t work. We’re living through proof of that right now.
News flash… we’ve been trying the “oh yeah we don’t fully disagree, we grant you a bit of what you like, then you grant a bit of what we want”, and they respond, “oh thank you for what I want… GIVE ME MORE, oh and your stuff FUCK YOU”.
No different than when we caved out obamacare to give into the insane nonstop demands the republicans had for it, but it was worth it to earn… Zero republican votes, 60+ attempts to repeal it.
But less on the policy side lets go on just narrative public speaking types. Next step is the make your case, give a strong arguement for your side. But he’s not really doing that, he’s bringing the far right on, letting them speak, half the time agreeing, half the time being silent.
But ok, so he’s going to mix his guests 50/50, bring on one he agrees with, one he disagrees with, 2/2 right wing… nah doesn’t look that way either.
So question is, what’s he doing that’s different than Joe Rogan at this point?
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I think you’re missing the point. Trans people are under attack in the US. Many are considering fleeing the country due to how unsafe they feel. Some are unable to get passports as easily as you or I, so they cannot just up and go. Which is why many are considering asylum, because there are places now in the US where they are considered criminals, felons, just for existing.
Now out of all the topics this man can talk about, having an anti-trans bias is absolutely a choice he is making. I agree with you that the trans community has much bigger issues, and every breath we waste on who is playing kickball with who is time better spent discussing their real issues.
What’s deeply unfair is trans people being shuffled into prisons, and the media is latching onto sports. Let this podcaster fade into irrelevence, as he isn’t helping the actual problems by muddying the waters with this.
Not missing the point at all, and I even said so in the very comment you’re responding to.
And I agreed to your point in the very comment you’re reaponding to. The only thing I’m disagreeing with is giving trans sports issues a platform over their right to exist. It’s a distraction and a waste of energy.
OK lol Bro shut the fuck up, you’ve already made so many wrong assumptions in this giant ass fucking wall of text, do you really just hearing yourself speak, do you mouth the words as you type?
