• HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    As opposed to the war crimes Russia has committed and continue to commit that is recorded and on display for the entire world to see lol

    Putin and his stooges are also wanted war criminals

    The US is split on Israel, Biden tried to simply withhold big bomb and he caught shit from both sides over it

    One side saying it wasn’t enough (which it wasn’t) and the other side which is insane, believing Israel is beyond reproach

    Israel is a no win situation in US politics

    Russia is a friend to no one

    • شاهد على إبادة@lemm.eeOPM
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      18 hours ago

      I’m not arguing that Russia didn’t commit war crimes. I’m arguing that the perception of Western racism and hypocrisy is real, and that they enabled far worse crimes to be committed by Israel.

      Here’s a few key quotes from FT’s article:

      “What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

      Just four weeks before the Hamas assault on Israel, leaders from the US, EU and western allies attended the G20 summit in New Delhi and asked developing nations to condemn Russia’s attacks on Ukrainian civilians in order to uphold respect for the UN charter and international law.

      Since last Sunday, many of those officials told the Financial Times they have had the same argument read back at them in demands for condemnation of Israel’s retaliatory assault on Gaza, and of its decision to restrict water, electricity and gas supplies there.

      Arab states, particularly Jordan and Egypt, have pressed western officials to harden their tone on protecting Gaza’s civilians. “If you describe cutting off water, food and electricity in Ukraine as a war crime, then you should say the same thing about Gaza,” said one Arab official.

      “What New Delhi, Jakarta and Brasília want to see is a common position on these issues, and consistency. And if they don’t see that . . . then on the major global issues there’s a certain danger EU, G7, Nato will not be taken seriously,” said Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, former Nato secretary-general.

      https://archive.ph/TxkRb

      When you have politicians like Baerbock saying that civilians in Gaza are fair targets, anything Russia does pales by comparison. To the rest of the world, Russia is guilty of war crimes and the West is guilty of war crimes, and so they will trade and deal with whoever. Russia isn’t any worse, in fact it is seen by many as a lesser-evil regardless of how you as a Westerner feel about it.

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          17 hours ago

          We are not talking about Russians as individuals or living in Russia, but how the Russian government conducts itself with the developing world. I don’t know if you are intentionally misunderstanding my comment, or if I need to spell things outright.

          To be clear Russia is guilty of war crimes and imperialism but it never presents itself in a hypocritical and racist manner as holier-than-thou. It never claims to be the arbiter of human rights and demands certain concessions of the rest of the world. Add to that, the developed world doesn’t have a collective bad memory of Russian imperialism and colonialism unlike with the West.

          The quotes from the FT post I shared earlier should make it clear what I’m trying to convey here. This is not a gotcha game, the perception is real, regardless of how inaccurate you may feel it is, and the way the West conducts itself only cements it.

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            9 hours ago

            You can’t convince them, as they don’t want to listen. They are not here to be educated, but to giggle and laugh with their likeminded peers