For sure, but passing the resolution for an international colonization force to disarm the resistance is a whole new low. This is China and Russia directly participating in the genocide of Gaza.
TheGrayZone is usually extremely pro-Russia oriented so I’m very pleasantly surprised that even they publicly stated this was a very shameful move.
This is China and Russia directly participating in the genocide of Gaza.
By that logic Algeria, Denmark, Greece, Guyana, Pakistan, Panama, South Korea, Sierra Leone, Slovenia and Somalia are also directly participating in genocide since they actually voted for the resolution.
Being a big trade partner to the genocidal terrorist state and having components used to kill Palestinians is worse.
The new Israeli protection force is going to be implemented regardless of the result of the resolution. This is disappointing because it shows more clearly that they don’t care one bit about Palestinians and won’t change anything in their relation to Israel. It was also an opportunity for them to discredit and harm the US image in the world even more by showing the USA will do what it wants regardless of the veto power
Being a big trade partner to the genocidal terrorist state and having components used to kill Palestinians is worse.
Trade has some level of plausible deniability as China stated they do not want to use trade as a weapon, seeing how it can be used against them. Also China did ban the sale of some products, like drones, to Israel directly. They don’t put much effort to geolock them over Israel though, and are simply shipped from Europe.
The new Israeli protection force is going to be implemented regardless of the result of the resolution.
Which is why it’s all the more astounding Russia and China are now supporting the force. The resolution is a full endorsement and backing of the 2 years of genocide. The reason I deem this worse than the trade is because China (and Russia) are now directly providing military cover for Israel.
First of all, I want to say that I am disappointed by the results, but I think your last day or so being a full pivot away from China, calling them imperialist even, is an over-correction that capes for the actual sponsors of and perpetrators of genocide, the US and Europe. I understand trying to hold China to a higher standard, but completely doing a 180 over an abstention at a council that already doesn’t mean anything is wrecker behavior.
There’s 2 major obstacles here. The first is that no UNSC resolution has ever prevented the US Empire from doing what it wants, such as continuing to ship arms to Haiti despite UNSC disapproval. The second is the Palestinian Authority, compradors as they are, backed the plan. The PA isn’t contested by Hamas, and are seen internationally as the authority over Palestine. Had Hamas been legitimized, perhaps China and Russia would have accepted their requests to deny the resolution, but when the PA backs the plan China sides with the PA.
When China was more interventionist in the 20th century, it had notoriously terrible foreign policy. They sided with Cambodia against Vietnam, they sided with the US over the USSR, and even pivted from supporting the DPRK to trying to sacrifice it. The China of today is one that has learnt their lesson and shifted to a policy of non-intervention. China going against the PA and for Hamas, while the morally correct position, would be a reversal of their non-interventionism. This is entirely different from actually arming and aiding in the genocide, and is in no way a full endorsement.
Even the USSR, which was both far more interventionist and far more correct from a foreign policy perspective (in general), generally was careful not to undermine what was seen as legitimate. Hamas has no problem killing traitors, but doesn’t actually contest PA. This is why the PA was invited to the talks in Beijing, alongside the PFLP, Hamas, DFLP, etc, because the resistance still tacitly accepts them.
China nor Russia are not parts of the colonialist task force, which does include Germany, the UK, France, the Nordics, and of course, the US and Israel. Italy offered to send support for the colonial project as well. The US’s plans are to create an alternative to the Belt and Road Initiative, called the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC). China cannot allow this to succeed, and cannot prevent the US’s plan simply by vetoing them at the UNSC, so they of course must take alternative measures to prevent this from happening.
In short, your total condemnation of China and Russia, equating them to the actual perpetrators of genocide, goes well beyond left critique of inaction by China and Russia and into the territory of feeding ammo to liberals who would support the US Empire and the west in general over multipolarity and anti-imperialism.
The trade IMO is worse than the abstention vote, because the trade is material and the results of UNSC resolutions have never stopped the US Empire from doing what it wants. There’s also the fact that the US threatened “a return to war” if there were any “no” votes:
@Cowbee@geneva_convenience@palestine
“The PA isn’t contested by Hamas” you say. It’s totally false. It’s contested by all the factions, and by the palestinian people. It’ s just Israel’s puppet. Only 10% of palestinians would vote for it.
There’s a difference between voting against them and all-out war. Hamas is not at war with the PA. As much as they are wrong and sellouts, they are also consistently brought to the table in any talks. I agree that they are unpopular, and I agree that vetoing is the more morally correct position, assuming the US wouldn’t make good on their threats to “return to war” in the case of a no vote.
Trade has some level of plausible deniability as China stated they do not want to use trade as a weapon, seeing how it can be used against them.
China is already in an economic war with the West, and they are still signatories to the Genocide Convention, which requires them to do whatever they can, including economic sanctions.
A lot of the revenue from trade will be used to kill more Palestinians.
Also China did ban the sale of some products, like drones, to Israel directly. They don’t put much effort to geolock them over Israel though, and are simply shipped from Europe
This is the same way most of the arms from Canada and the EU go to Israel. We should be consistent and be as hard on China and Russia as on the West
Which is why it’s all the more astounding Russia and China are now supporting the force. The resolution is a full endorsement and backing of the 2 years of genocide.
What a shameful display from Russia and China.
They really did a full 180 on everything they pretended to stand for.
For me they was always pretending but I thought they would continue to pretend. Francesca exposed both of them in her latest report
For sure, but passing the resolution for an international colonization force to disarm the resistance is a whole new low. This is China and Russia directly participating in the genocide of Gaza.
TheGrayZone is usually extremely pro-Russia oriented so I’m very pleasantly surprised that even they publicly stated this was a very shameful move.
By that logic Algeria, Denmark, Greece, Guyana, Pakistan, Panama, South Korea, Sierra Leone, Slovenia and Somalia are also directly participating in genocide since they actually voted for the resolution.
@daydrinkingchickadee @geneva_convenience @palestine
But they don’t have the right to vetoe a resolution. China and Russia only could… And didn’t! 🤬🤬
They don’t have the right of veto but they can still vote no or abstain, which they didn’t.
Being a big trade partner to the genocidal terrorist state and having components used to kill Palestinians is worse.
The new Israeli protection force is going to be implemented regardless of the result of the resolution. This is disappointing because it shows more clearly that they don’t care one bit about Palestinians and won’t change anything in their relation to Israel. It was also an opportunity for them to discredit and harm the US image in the world even more by showing the USA will do what it wants regardless of the veto power
Trade has some level of plausible deniability as China stated they do not want to use trade as a weapon, seeing how it can be used against them. Also China did ban the sale of some products, like drones, to Israel directly. They don’t put much effort to geolock them over Israel though, and are simply shipped from Europe.
Which is why it’s all the more astounding Russia and China are now supporting the force. The resolution is a full endorsement and backing of the 2 years of genocide. The reason I deem this worse than the trade is because China (and Russia) are now directly providing military cover for Israel.
First of all, I want to say that I am disappointed by the results, but I think your last day or so being a full pivot away from China, calling them imperialist even, is an over-correction that capes for the actual sponsors of and perpetrators of genocide, the US and Europe. I understand trying to hold China to a higher standard, but completely doing a 180 over an abstention at a council that already doesn’t mean anything is wrecker behavior.
There’s 2 major obstacles here. The first is that no UNSC resolution has ever prevented the US Empire from doing what it wants, such as continuing to ship arms to Haiti despite UNSC disapproval. The second is the Palestinian Authority, compradors as they are, backed the plan. The PA isn’t contested by Hamas, and are seen internationally as the authority over Palestine. Had Hamas been legitimized, perhaps China and Russia would have accepted their requests to deny the resolution, but when the PA backs the plan China sides with the PA.
When China was more interventionist in the 20th century, it had notoriously terrible foreign policy. They sided with Cambodia against Vietnam, they sided with the US over the USSR, and even pivted from supporting the DPRK to trying to sacrifice it. The China of today is one that has learnt their lesson and shifted to a policy of non-intervention. China going against the PA and for Hamas, while the morally correct position, would be a reversal of their non-interventionism. This is entirely different from actually arming and aiding in the genocide, and is in no way a full endorsement.
Even the USSR, which was both far more interventionist and far more correct from a foreign policy perspective (in general), generally was careful not to undermine what was seen as legitimate. Hamas has no problem killing traitors, but doesn’t actually contest PA. This is why the PA was invited to the talks in Beijing, alongside the PFLP, Hamas, DFLP, etc, because the resistance still tacitly accepts them.
China nor Russia are not parts of the colonialist task force, which does include Germany, the UK, France, the Nordics, and of course, the US and Israel. Italy offered to send support for the colonial project as well. The US’s plans are to create an alternative to the Belt and Road Initiative, called the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC). China cannot allow this to succeed, and cannot prevent the US’s plan simply by vetoing them at the UNSC, so they of course must take alternative measures to prevent this from happening.
In short, your total condemnation of China and Russia, equating them to the actual perpetrators of genocide, goes well beyond left critique of inaction by China and Russia and into the territory of feeding ammo to liberals who would support the US Empire and the west in general over multipolarity and anti-imperialism.
The trade IMO is worse than the abstention vote, because the trade is material and the results of UNSC resolutions have never stopped the US Empire from doing what it wants. There’s also the fact that the US threatened “a return to war” if there were any “no” votes:
@Cowbee @geneva_convenience @palestine
“The PA isn’t contested by Hamas” you say. It’s totally false. It’s contested by all the factions, and by the palestinian people. It’ s just Israel’s puppet. Only 10% of palestinians would vote for it.
There’s a difference between voting against them and all-out war. Hamas is not at war with the PA. As much as they are wrong and sellouts, they are also consistently brought to the table in any talks. I agree that they are unpopular, and I agree that vetoing is the more morally correct position, assuming the US wouldn’t make good on their threats to “return to war” in the case of a no vote.
China is already in an economic war with the West, and they are still signatories to the Genocide Convention, which requires them to do whatever they can, including economic sanctions.
A lot of the revenue from trade will be used to kill more Palestinians.
This is the same way most of the arms from Canada and the EU go to Israel. We should be consistent and be as hard on China and Russia as on the West
This part i agree with