Editing to delete all of this. I am getting real threats again, and I am not willing to have a complete mental collapse over fucking Lemmy for a 2nd time. Fuck this place. And especially fuck all of the transpose assholes bent on making my life hell. I am deleting my accounts permanently, but will leave the content up. Don’t worry, you won’t need to kill or doxx me, I intend to take care of the former myself.
Yeah they are also an Ai simp and just constantly stealing other people’s content.
just constantly stealing other people’s content
That’s what bothers me.
The constant reposts have made it more difficult to find the original content. At the very least put where it’s from in the body or something so I can look there
All of my crossposts should show in the cross post menu, OC is additionally tagged with the username
Like this:
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Yeah. .ml is a massive shithole. I don’t honestly know why everyone hasn’t blacklisted them.
Fear of retaliation in the form of withheld support from dessalines or “slow walked” at the very least.
Has Dessalines actually done that? Its open source, so if .ml got an update, anyone could just take it back.
Edit: so that’s a no, just random fearmongering about Tankies.
Yeah, they’re petty enough to do just that. Of course if anyone questioned why, I’m sure their excuse would be “Rule 1”.
Ok, that’s fair. I really appreciated this explanation!
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Wait, are people just getting mad at you because you crosspost from .ml instances? You are doing the Flying Sphaguetti Monster’s work.
Yea pretty much, .ml defenders or ideology aligned people for sure
There’s also a group on Lemmy who hate power posters and only want to see people that post handcrafted artisan posts and not articles or memes. Which is baffling because Lemmy/PieFed/Reddit are all of social media type known as link aggregators LMAO
Could users request to be added to your block list? Which you could copy over when creating new accounts.
Maybe a dumb one here but came to mind :)
The Lemmy blocking system is very half baked, possibly intentionally, and doesn’t work in this manner. Blocks on my side only prevent me from seeing them, but they will still see (and be able to interact with, which is the big problem with it) my posts/comments
Otherwise I would totally do this lol
proof that it is high time that an instance needs the ability to straight up perma ban a username
This wouldn’t solve the problem. They’d just roll in with cm0003. You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship. Even then, it’s a moving target when the end user is determined enough.
You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship
CG NAT and VPNs want to have a word with you.
OP did say:
Even then, it’s a moving target when the end user is determined enough.
This doesn’t need much determination. And especially with CG NAT you would IP ban not only one person, but a whole block or even district of persons.
Most trolls don’t even know what those are, though. And in my experience, making an account somewhere else is more effort than 99.9% put in already.
You’re still missing the point
What’s the point? OP mentioned that there’s still ways around an IP ban in theory. They’re still widely used to great effect in practice.
The point he is trying to make is that an IP ban can also affect innocent users in the crossfire, if they share the same IP. For example because of CGNAT
Yep, there’s at least two different people who are playing this sockpuppet game already. One went by, among other names, lucky8 and would only post think-tank political articles across dozens of communities - an actual propaganda account. Another appears to just repost reddit content onto Lemmy, they had a name similar to darnelle until they started picking other names.
These accounts stand out a lot more whenever you take a look at a specific-purpose instance like a country or subculture instance, rather than a large general-purpose instance like yours or mine. A lot of people complain because these sockpuppets flood an instance with propaganda or just off-topic junk.
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- Definitely not every post of theirs is upvoted (see links below). Do you have one that you feel like the voting for was probably fraudulent or something?
- He is vocally against lemmy.ml and reposts their content sometimes to encourage people to move off that server. What’s your take on that? Does he repost anything outside of that one example that you know of?
- Do people ban this person? Literally all he does is post, as far as I can tell… like I looked over the user pages 1 2 3 4 5 and it’s just kind of normal stuff to me.
- It’s a little weird that he has so many accounts. @cm0002@lemmy.zip why do you have so many accounts? It is a little weird and makes it more difficult for people who want to block you, I get that part of what OP is saying, just all the rest of it like you’re doing some kind of wild out-of-pocket thing by posting the stuff you post seems all the way out of left field to me.
I did notice the sudden influx of new accounts under the cm0002 name, I wasn’t entirely sure it’s actually the same guy or somebody impersonating him. I don’t see why he’d need that many, and most of the accounts are very new despite him having been around for a long time.
Oh, that’s a good point. @OP that is one reason for making it not work the way you describe, it makes it super-easy to destroy any user just by making new alts with their same name and then having them be obnoxious. IDK what the fix is really, it is a real problem that people can make alts to do ban evasion.
@cm0002@lemmy.world I should ask also, are all the described alts actually you?
Most are, but I have had an impersonation problem in the past, so there are a few imposter accounts mixed in there. This is another reason to have these accounts, prevention of it happening again.
Thats actually what I guessed was happening. Sometimes I make accounts on services I don’t use just to “reserve” the username.
It’s an old tactic to reserve your name on every server.
that sounds exhausting
Saying every post was admittedly hyperbolic. Saying “many” would have been more appropriate I agree. I am well aware of the vendetta against ml. The point here is that even if someone attempts to ban or block them, the effort is immediately bypassed.
You literally wrote “every single post” in bold face lol
Yeah, I am pissed off and annoyed. I edited the post body.
None of my accounts have been banned from any instance or comm to the best of my knowledge, with the exception of .ml which they do because they don’t like me calling them out
Evading other users blocking me is not my intention and is just an unfortunate side effect. On the flip side, its not like it take any effort for one to block a user
A user, yes. But having to do it constantly as you continue to re-create accounts on every instance you can find is another matter.
The way your post was making it out to seem, “forces an instance to federate out” sounded like he was doing something so egregious that he was forcing instances to be defederated, sheesh. On the bright side, you’ve Barbara Streissanded his good work.
Nah, with every account you create and use to interact with another instance, the instance that you made that account on takes on the burden of all of the data associated with it including images etc. Making alts is a dick move. If you make your own instance and are happy with it, then navigate to and post to a large community on a large instance, your instance is going to get flooded with pictr and general db stuff. Don’t make alts.
I have reasons, I’ll just copy paste a previous response:
For other people blocking me, I don’t really care if they do or don’t, it’s just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons:
Shopping for a new home instance
Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the “hot” feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you’re on lol)
Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job
Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to
For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I’m not making a whole bunch on any one instance
Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team. :::)
I’m just finally looking at those links that you list. Based on just the first couple of “quotes”, they’re not direct quotes but your interpretation of what they’re saying. I get it that you hate lemmy.ml and the Lemmy devs, but this is pretty poor behavior to claim that those are direct quotes.
“Uyghur atrocity propaganda equate birth control with genocide.” Is his literal words for the first one, some are memes and you almost have to interpret into a quote. How do you directly quote a meme?
Besides, here’s one that just happened earlier today, no quotes no interpretation other than saying what happened (banning people who call out Russian propaganda): https://lemmy.zip/post/53268068
And those are only highlights, the megathread has many MANY examples
Please explain how:
“It’s kinda funny because the evangelicals like Zenz peddling the Uyghur atrocity propaganda equate birth control with genocide. Plus many of them think that birth control also contributes to ‘the white genocide’”
that Dessalines wrote becomes:
“Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control!”?
How can you claim that that is a direct quote in your supposed dossier of Lemmy dev statements post that you keep spamming? It seems that many (most? all? I haven’t reviewed all of them yet) of your other “quotes” are similar in nature - your own radically distorted interpretation of what they said.
I would be careful if I were you, because you could be opening yourself up to be sued for libel in some jurisdictions. You could easily correct this by making it clear in your posts that those are not direct quotes from the devs but your own paraphrases and reinterpretations.
How can you claim that that is a direct quote in your supposed dossier of Lemmy dev statements post that you keep spamming? It seems that many (most? all? I haven’t reviewed all of them yet) of your other “quotes” are similar in nature - your own radically distorted interpretation of what they said.
That’s what they want. They want you to never actually click a link, they want you to take their word for it.
Some of the stuff that’s actually said it atrocious and disgusting. Some of it is hyperbole and out of context to make them look bad.
Meanwhile if we just post their actual wording and actual beliefs, people would side more against them.
If we mixed in hyperbole and bullshit with the real, it gives them ammo. It makes people second guess. It just muddies the water.
But they’re on a tirade against weirdos online who think Russia is cool for various inconsistent reasons that contradict each other. So why not lie and repost memes manually? That’s clearly a better time if someone’s life.
Right. I feel that any argument one may have gets severely weakened by using distorted examples. If nothing else, any possible good examples get drowned out and discredited by bad examples that are easily verified to be bad.
Ans that’s why I’m all for documenting bullshit of anyone, any organization, any company, anything, as long as it’s documented verified shit.
Otherwise it just gives them ammo to ignore the reality and say if 40% if false, then 100% must be.
That’s what they want. They want you to never actually click a link, they want you to take their word for it.
They also really hate when you say this when they do their spamming of their mega thread.
I don’t like the content they post (it’s indistinguishable from botspam) and I especially don’t like the fact that I can’t just block it. Every week it’s a new spam account.
Blocking is a user ban. Making so many new accounts is (from a personal, user-experience level only) very much like ban evasion in that view. The experience fucking blows.
I get that a lot of people are digging what cm0002 posts, and I don’t mind that they are getting off to it. I don’t, and I’m tired of playing block wak a mole. I don’t know what else to do but to keep blocking every time they get bored and make (for some reason???) yet another (over twenty and growing!) account on a new instance. I could see two or even three for like, you want to keep a porn account separate from public, or you want a mander persona and a world persona or something, but this is so supermuch not that.
If people don’t like me, and no doubt I’m on a lot of people’s blocklists (for good reason…), they can block my single name and move on with their lives and never have to deal with my manic bullshit ever again. More power to them, go off and slay, queen, it’s a great feature of this broad community.
Is it really too much to ask to be shown the same courtesy?
@cm0002@lemmy.zip another comment summarizing the issue
Unfortunately nothing anyone says will change their mind or behavior. :(
If one person smells like dogshit, that person probably smells like dog shit. If everyone you meet smells like dog shit, check your shoes.
“If dozens of users have issues with me, I can’t be wrong. They are!”
Major .world players are just from Reddit so we can’t expect much.
Major .world players are just from Reddit so we can’t expect much.
Every time I mention blocking all of .world as a valid and good solution, 3 shitlibs downvote me and another angel gets their wings
If .world was mass defederated, Lemmy would have a lot less bigotry so that’d be nice.
For other people blocking me, I don’t really care if they do or don’t, it’s just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons below. If I was really ban/block evading I’d just make up an entirely new user name each time, it would be FAR more effective and longer lasting.
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Shopping for a new home instance
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Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the “hot” feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you’re on lol)
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Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job
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Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to
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For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I’m not making a whole bunch on any one instance
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Prevention of a reoccurrence of my imposter problem
Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team. :::)
I do feel like there’s a legitimate complaint to be had that since you’re doing heavy / automated posting, it would be good to pick one and only one instance/user to do it from just to be polite to people who don’t want that, and have it blocked.
I feel like all the weeping and gnashing of teeth that OP is doing isn’t necessary, since you’re obviously not intending it badly, but I do feel like there’s a grain of legitimacy somewhere in there.
Fair, though it’s definitely not automated. Heavy posting yes, automated no.
The absolute irony here is that I actually considered this perspective weeks ago, but I figured since you can block a user in 3 clicks or less straight from the encountered post the burden of anyone out there blocking me would be low and nbd. Ig not lmao
Well, but multiply that by the number of people who for one reason or another you just don’t want to see their content, and then multiply again by the number of instances you have your own accounts on, and I think it’s understandable for people not to want it to be multiplied again by some number of alt accounts for each poster.
It just shouldn’t be on the individual to have to invest effort every day into that kind of thing. If it’s one account, and you just don’t vibe with it, then fine. But if it turns into an ongoing project, I do get the irritation even if the amount of effort you’re being randomly required to activate at random times is quick and trivial. Like if you just got randomly resubscribed to communities sometimes that you had unsubscribed from, and then had to unsubscribe from them again, that’s not a lot of effort to do, but the amount of effort is not the point.
That’s the core of the issue summarized.
Another post where people complained about having to block new alts constantly: https://feddit.org/comment/9997824
Homie isn’t even using a script‽ Complete respect for the game!
Can you just make this easy for everyone, then, and create your own instance (which hosts the account from which all your heavy posting will come), and use your other accounts for whatever else you might want to do.
This:
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enables users or instances that may want to not interact with you to enact that effectively
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allows you to see posts from and post to every instance and community which reciprocates a desire to be connected with you (or at least which doesn’t want to not be connected with you)
All without putting the burden on others for your excessive account creation and posting.
I have no strong opinion about the user in question, but not everyone has the resources to host their own instance. In addition, from my understanding, even those who do might not be open to the burdens that come with doing so (regardless of whether they’re prolific posters).
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Hey! It’s that person they’re talking about! Seriously though, I appreciate your constant posting and keeping this site alive.
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Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about??
It is unhinged behavior to do this in response to not liking admins of a lemmy instance and I just feel bad for this person that this is where they channel their life energy into.
Books and making art are too boring. Making new accounts every month and manually reposting content to the point dozens of users ask if you’re a bot a week is a better time.
Documentation of their toxic extremism it’s a little more than mere “dislike” when they themselves are toxic to the Threadiverse and support the idea that anyone not aligned with their authoritarian values should just “go back to Reddit”
Hamid hmm any relation to the hardcore tankie defender hamid@vegantheoryclub 🤔
Get a life
But this is their only task in life
Hi again gofer!
Still refusing to even see evidence I see lol
What’s the conversion rate between posts to goat points? 10:1?
And here is a good example of whataboutism or red herring, attempting to shift to a different topic that distracts from the original point or question.
they need a life
how dare you not look at the evidence I made to make goat happy and proud of me
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all have our hobbies
And yours is refusing to follow rules or accept accountability, thereby making degrading the fediverse for thousands of people? And even worse than that, you think that is acceptable?
What rule(s) am I breaking? What accountability am I denying?
- What rules am I breaking
- Account banned from community
- Brags about how he’s banned from .ml
- Celebrates when others get banned from .ml
- could just block and avoid .ml since it’s filled with LARPers
Do you want people to break rules or do you want them to obey the rules
and support the idea that anyone not aligned with their authoritarian values should just “go back to Reddit”
I mean, I’m not a “tankie” and make a point of posting to non-ml communities when there’s a choice of ml and non-ml because I think there’s some toxic moderation going on there, but I also would prefer that shitlibs go back to reddit and stay there 🤷
How would permablocking a certain username help? He’ll just change it. Not sure if IP bans are on the table, but those can be circumvented fairly trivially as well.
I can see how shadowbanning would help in such a case, but I’d rather not see such things on the platform at all if possible.
How would permablocking a certain username help?
It’s actually a pretty bad idea. Trolls would use it as a weapon. Argue with them and they’ll make an alt with your username then do stuff to get you (rather, your username) permabanned from Lemmy.
Okay. Looking through the comments, it doesn’t appear that you actually have anything here other than it pisses you off. But is it a problem? You’re phrasing this like cm0002 is evading bans and he isn’t. If he’s making new accounts and that annoys you then that sucks but… why do the admins need to get involved with this? You said you want to have him permabanned from an instance? Why?
You can check who voted for a post by the way. Cm0002 doesn’t vote for himself. I have checked in the past when I first started noticing his username a lot myself. Hell, I thought he was irritating as hell for a while myself too. I guess I’m biased in the sense that I know the dude and would call him a friend but even then, I’m not seeing anything demonstrating that action needs to actually be taken by anyone.
I get being annoyed with people. But saying that this is bad faith and worthy of having the entire username banned from the entire fucking instance seems like a massive overreach. One so far that I would just outright avoid ever posting to that instance ever again because that admin would be tripping balls and power.
it doesn’t appear that you actually have anything here other than it pisses you off.
Literally the entire purpose of this community.
It’s been fun to see a lot of the major Lemmy posters show up in this thread. It’s been really eye-opening.
For someone who keeps running around this thread and saying that it’s exactly appropriate for this community, you clearly did read the second rule. It’s almost like lying about someone flinging false accusations and making shit up might violate the rule saying respect other users. Even then, my issue isn’t the rant. My issue is that this is someone who I respect and have seen on Lemmy a lot, who I’ve talked to a lot, who is making shit up, throwing a tantrum and inventing shit about someone else. I don’t care about the actions of this post. I care of the actions of this post when @jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone is better than this. This is just fucking disappointing.
Ironically, they’re the biggest hindrance to lemmy growing
How so? Wouldn’t more posts/comments be a good thing for Lemmy?
They’re extremely abusive towards each other. Instead of just blocking users they set up harassment and thought policing communities to screenshot and drama post about each other in a way that makes any normal person delete their account and go back to reddit.
This guy cm0002 for example, what they are doing is totally unhinged, it is really off putting and reeks of desperation. I’m not a tankie, I have differing opinions. Do I need to thought police tankies? No. I get along with everyone because we’re just shit posting online. Then I go and hang out with my family and do things like hiking. But these people literally freak out and spend hundreds of waking hours tracking people, screen shotting them, gathering evidence and in cm0002s case emulates a bot manually reposting. It is fucking crazy. Dude, tankies aren’t even a real thing most people who aren’t terminally online ever heard of.
Wouldn’t more posts/comments be a good thing for Lemmy?
Not inherently. Activity is certainly important, and some people might just leave if a place seems too slow compared to what they’re used to. But the quality of activity is also important. (If it didn’t, we’d be firing up repost bots and AI tools to generate junk.) In fact, one think many people have said they like about Lemmy instances is that it seems like replies actually mean something here and don’t just get lost in the mix. There’s more of a community.
Rule 2. I guess you missed that part in your quest to take a screenshot. Making shit up about a user, admitting you’re making shit up about a user and doubling down with false accusations really seems like it’d violate that.
:D
I really can’t think of a good reason to have this many active and posting accounts other than trying to get around something. I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this post, and honestly still am, hence why I posted this here. A filter per end user would be a better solution, like what PieFed has.
I could have worded everything better. This should be a highlight of what could be done by one user.
It’s honestly driving me crazy that people are complaining about the wording.
You posted it here consciously, it’s a “rant” community.
This is the right place for something like this! The way you worded it wasn’t really problematic. It may have been if it was in a different community, but people are expecting lot from a rant.
They accused another user of ban evasion, realized they were pissed, said they had zero evidence to support the accusation and repeatedly doubled down. The problem is not the wording. It’s the actively hostile intent towards another user and using the rant community to attack someone. It’s disgusting and I expect better of Jawa after everything else they’ve done on Lemmy. This some extremely shitty behavior.
Stop trying to move the goal posts to make what is blatantly an attack post seem okay.
Speaking of being actively hostile towards another user and lying for that purpose, have you seen the list of supposed quotes from the Lemmy devs that cm0002 keeps posting repeatedly (a few times just on this thread)? From the couple I checked, those do not at all appear to be direct quotes, even though he makes it appear as though they are. That seems to me to be against many instances’ rules?
Whataboutism. One accusation with some merit (whether or not it even has any, I have no idea because I haven’t looked into it) does not mean that another one suddenly gets any. I am also not having a discussion about that. I am having a discussion about the fact that false accusations were slung with zero evidence. Make your own post if you feel that strongly about it and actually have evidence.
Edit: Yeah, I looked at the quotes. They’re clearly facetious and provide the actual link to the direct quote. Your complaint is worthless. If you have nothing valuable to add then it’s perfectly legitimate to say nothing. Highly recommend it sometime.
Uncalled for harsh reply.
Uncomfortable taking your own medicine, isn’t it? Goodbye.
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I really can’t think of a good reason to have this many active and posting accounts other than trying to get around something.
I can’t think of a lot of things too. Doesn’t mean those reasons don’t exist. He’s also actively given reasons in this thread. I’d suggest logging out and checking it or something else. Moreover, unless you have something to point to then the accusation is kind of reductive and harmful. You’re claiming he’s evading bans but have provided exactly zero evidence of this. 5 hours later, you’ve still not updated the post to remove the ban evasion claim or provide any evidence of it. I’ma be real… I find your behavior to be WAY more problematic than his. What’s he doing? Making multiple accounts and annoying you. What are you doing? Making a large thread firing accusations at someone with exactly zero evidence.
I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this post, and honestly still am, hence why I posted this here.
That doesn’t justify firing false accusations at someone. Questioning if someone does it is fine. You didn’t do that though. You outright said this was ban evasion tactics and that makes me feel really gross. I get your frustrations and I’m not minizing them but you’ve framed your frustrations and suspicions as fact, providing nothing to back yourself up other than the thing that annoys you and keep firing that same accusation by being aware of the wording error and not fixing it.
This whole thread is… kind of gross. I’m not going to lie. I’m not a big fan of not liking a thing and then presenting my hunch as outright fact. I go out of my way to look for things that might point towards it and will at the very least add that. Add supporting evidence for the argument. This is just a personal complaint that’s been framed as an attack on another user and I’m not exactly a fan.
Hear hear.
To me it seems mostly as a method to obscure post history. It’s the other side of the coin of users who delete everything 24-48 hours afterwards. Incredibly annoying and only leads me to feel suspicious.
After all, you’ll note how quick the user is to dive into post histories and theorycraft on who is whose alt accounts. The notion that there’s something to be found in there is some kind of projection for sure.
Your feelings are irrelevant unless you have evidence. Your hunch is irrelevant unless you have proof. I am not a 14 year old interested in gossip.
It was going on in the main/top thread of this topic when I opened it. Linking this thread would seem unnecessary? First reply to hamid by cm002 in this post is calling them an alt of another user?
*edit Did you believe I was referring to you? I was referring to the cm002 user, not you.
Did you believe I was referring to you? I was referring to the cm002 user, not you.
Like I said. Your feelings are irrelevant unless you have proof. Saying something feels a certain way is useless and doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just nonsense accusations based off of your feelings.
I have logged out and read all of the replies. I do not believe them to believe them to be truthful or in good faith based on timing alone. cm0002 made an account on an instance that was less than a day old. They even made a post about it. How in the world is that possible without automation? And to your other replies, yes, I am deliberately rocking the boat because I believe that people need to be aware that this kind of thing is possible. Also, one of the predominant complaints on Lemmy is multiple posts to many communities. I don’t think that there is a bigger offender. Many people see things multiple times and can’t stop it because of the account spam.
I’ve calmed down a lot (re; your comment about me not being around - I needed to actually step back and get some perspective). While this was posted as a rant, I do stand by the initial points (though framing it as ban evasion was admittedly me just fuming). I should have punched a wall, or something instead - I don’t know. I’m not entirely intelligent nor emotionally stable by any means. I think something about hitting the block button one too many times made me snap.
I really should just leave all kinds of social interactions because my brain can break like this, I guess. You’ve been fantastic to me and gave me a real shot at making good posts. My insane bipolar brain is telling me to run right now.
It’s not automation, it’s just autism. You can see when new instances come online and he likes helping out small ones so he keeps an eye out.
I get rocking the boat. That’s fine. I’m not saying don’t. I’m just perturbed by accusations made with zero evidence as if it’s just truth. I don’t recommend punching a wall (or running, shit happens), and ranting is what the community is there for, but question things more so than accuse.
And while he is a friend, I’ve questioned before why he’s using so many alts and told him to chill the hell out. I also think he should on that front because I like him on lemmy otherwise. So I’m not just sitting on the sidelines completely defending him. Just… yea.
You’ve talked me down on several occasions, and this should be added to them, I think. @cm002@lemmy.zip I’d like you to know that this wasn’t personal - I just got extremely frustrated, and will delete my untoward comments if you deem that I should.
made an account on an instance that was less than a day old
Honestly, I had no idea that they were only open for a day, I just peruse Lemmyverse.net and pick instances that seem interesting or have funny/cool sounding names 😂
I get it, but from the end user standpoint (and the admins of that insance), it is really hard to not stand back and ask "wtf?:
It very clearly is ban evasion. At the same time the Lemmyverse does fundamentally not have the ability to stop this.
It very clearly is ban evasion.
Prove it. “Very Clearly” is worth nothing. A hunch is worth nothing. If you don’t have something to actively point towards for that accusation, then it’s just a false accusation. Considering that he hasn’t been posting to places he’s been banned from, and the fact that it’s the same username so it is flat out idiotic to use the exact same username repeatedly if he’s trying to do that, your accusation doesn’t seem to have anything to stand on.
At the same time the Lemmyverse does fundamentally not have the ability to stop this.
Which, as we’ve established, is not actually problematic. Just annoying. Otherwise you’d all be linking to examples of him doing the things you’re claiming.
I am pretty sure this user in question is the same that has made previous demands the Lemmy devs ‘sell’ the code to an independent third party like some kind of IMF loan situation. There’s a level of dedication against the platform itself that exists.
I had always assumed they’d just gone over to piefed and put their crusade to rest.
So you still don’t have any evidence and everything that you’re saying is completely and utterly worthless?
Thank you for your input.
Go away.
There was a petition posted awhile back about wanting the Lemmy devs to give away control over the code because of their politics. I will see if I can find it but I think it was over a year ago at this point. I am almost positive it was cm002, but I’ll see if I can find that thread. No harm in seeing if my recollection is accurate.
I will see if I can find it
I am almost positive
I’ll see if I can find that thread
No harm in seeing if my recollection is accurate
Then go ahead and do that. But as it currently stands, you are just firing accusations with nothing other than “I think” and “I feel”. You might as well be a republican.
Here’s one comment that I spent my morning digging up instead of enjoying my coffee. Scrolling MWoG isn’t exactly enjoyable.
https://lemmy.world/post/29173321/16870997
I couldn’t find the specific thread I was thinking of that was actively calling for removal. But that’s a comment referencing that demand as a discussed option.
Digging through post histories and searching lemmy is not something I am ever inclined to do, so I was appealing to a shared experience/memory since the whole push for donations brought up a lot of those discussons everywhere they were.
Also Meanwhileongrad is on my local feed so I see all the threads and discussions before curation, so I rarely if ever comment propotionally.
I don’t like your block evasion either
I use one account. Cry harder.
It’s the same thing with sunshine, pugjesus, and dude. I can’t fucking stand it. I don’t want to see the same 4 people posting because they’re on a manic upswing/addicted to the platform. I try to block their accounts but it seems like they have already spun up 4 more to submit from a different spot. It’s awful and devalues lemmy (for me). I would be better off never seeing their posts again.
I think people like PugJesus are great because they bring here the content we need?
So flooding communities with low effort reposted content is what we need?
Yes, but in addition to the history memes and other good and unique content, PugJesus also isn’t a tankie, and sometimes even argues vocally with tankies. cm0002 is the same.
I suspect that’s what’s actually behind this: Some kind “Mean Girls” effort to damage someone’s reputation because they are giving wrongthink to the community. Maybe I’m paranoid. At face value, though, the whole thing of “HOW DARE YOU PUT MEMES IN MY MEME COMMUNITY EVERY DAY ARGBLGRBGLRBG I’M SO ANGRY NOW” makes so little sense that I think it’s safe to assume that something else is the reason.
I think having a specific beef with tankies and going out of your way to aggravate them instead of just putting them on block says quite a lot about a person living in the second rise of fascism
He spends more trolling Tankies and being a redditor about online debates than he does doing anything about fascism.
But you ask his favorite political party to do more to stop fascism, he’ll ban you from every community he mods, even if you weren’t saying it in any of them.
He hates leftists more than he hates the fascists in office that impact his life then terminally online Tankies who LARP as revolutionaries.
He also scans his username often on Lemmy, so I’m sure before the end of the week he’ll demand you reply to him as he bans you. Or he’ll stalk public discord and matrix servers and then say they’re obsessed with him.
I don’t think he’s going out of his way to aggravate them. I think he’s encouraging other people to not interact with them and calling attention to some of their bad behavior. I do think that makes sense. Some people care a lot about the truth, and it’ll really aggravate them to have people being hostile and dishonest all over their social network, posting propaganda, attacking or banning anyone who disagrees with them, just generally being cocks. They’ll want to “fix” it or at least draw attention to it as a problem. That makes sense to me.
Maybe it is a little extra to even care about these weird text-only networks to that extent… but I do get it. It makes sense to me. He’s not just doing it for no reason. And yes, that is important in or out of fascism. Having at least one little electronic network where people can talk about these things and not have to be banned or attacked if they say the wrong thing does seem like an important thing, maybe more so the more that truth is under attack on the outside.
I don’t think he’s going out of his way to aggravate them
He’s made multiple communities about them and then links to the communities/posts, then also does it in other communities.
And how many communities and posts has he made about fascists? A few posts, no communities.
How many about terminally online weirdos who think LARPing as revolutionaries and simping for Stalin? It’s about 50% of his posts when he’s not making memes about Rome like a Xitter user.
Lol you’re overthinking it. I just don’t want a single user dominating my feed, that’s really all.
And you confused not wanting one user to dominate your feed with “this fuckwqd” “this shitty behavior” “shitty, bad faith action” “Then every single post from every one of these account is very heavily upvoted. Oh, that isn’t suspicious at all” “also an Ai simp” “Maybe some kind of probation could help?” “reflects extremely poorly on lemmy/threadiverse in general that this type of behaviour is tolerated at all let alone encouraged” and so on and so on.
You guys need to chill the fuck out lmao. He’s posting stuff. That’s what Lemmy is for. I get the complaint about doing it from different accounts if he’s going to be a heavy poster of this perfectly normal content he is posting, I can agree with that part of it. But you guys can’t be going fucking mental like he’s trying to summon Cthulu in the basement and must be stopped at all costs, and then all of a sudden turn around like “calm down bro you’re overthinking it’s just not that serious” when people are trying to figure out what caused this towering issue about it.
I mean, that’s cool. I just prefer my feed to feel more organic from a broader user base. Different strokes for different folks. That’s what is cool about lemmy - you don’t need to have the same cookie cutter experience. Block who you want and consume submissions from people you enjoy. More power to ya if you’re into it. All good brother.
I feel like you need to be directing this calming energy at this guy. I’m perfectly calm, I was making jokes.
this guy
Nah. Not a guy.
Got 'em 😉😘
I like that they’re putting more stuff out on the fediverse and pulling some focus away from .ml.
I just wish I had the time to do the same. We really need more people adding a wider mix of content.
It’s a script/bot, that’s how they have time.
It’s not, I have stated many times in the past. The only automation is a push notification I get about a new post
If you have to tell users across your many accounts you’re not a bot, it’s you and not them.
It’s an age old argument from long before I had left .world and had a bunch of alts. Even before I started crossposting .ml. A lot of power posters end up being accused of being a bot by a certain minority of users lmao
A certain minority? Genuinely curious who it was. I don’t know how to ask without seeming like a sealion or something else “debate bro”.
Just that there’s a group of users who are anti-power posters for sure who really hate seeing the same users posting for some reason. I have someone who blocks me because I apparently post…phoronix…a tad too much for their liking lmao
I don’t have a problem with people posting a lot, but people making over a dozen accounts as frequently as every 2 days pisses me off.
How do you feel about that Sludge fella, though?
overrated
Yeah, me too, I hate when people post things lol
Like every time I see a history picture in the feed I’m like ARGHH FUCK THIS GAH GLU BO and I start chewing the furniture
Are you being obtuse on purpose? You can’t see how creating additional accounts could be annoying?
Here’s an example. I subscribe to !technology@lemmy.zip, and cm0002 has posted (or reposted and I have the originating community filtered out, possibly) from three different servers in the past two days.
I get that federation means you can switch accounts easily but it can be kind of annoying.
Is that what PugJesus is doing? I thought he had one account on lemmy.world and then made one on piefed.social and posts more or less the same stuff from both which is generally pretty benign at least in my worldview.
I do kind of get what you’re saying, sure. Overall I think the problem of people making new accounts to get around ban evasion is a serious problem. I even checked out https://sh.itjust.works/ to see what you’re talking about, and yeah I get it, there’s a bunch of meme posts from cm0002 high up in the feed and I get how that could be annoying if that’s not your thing. I guess I don’t subscribe to the meme communities, so maybe that’s why I’m just befuddled by the idea that someone could be this bent out of shape about those particular users.
That’s what’s confusing to me about it: There are users on Lemmy who go out of their way to be obnoxious and make it difficult for people to block them, or post content that’s malicious in some way. I don’t see anyone on your list as being like that. They’re just posting stuff. IDK, you can also try out scaled sort which aims to give a more balanced feed without the “big name” communities dominating so much.
I guess I do agree with you, actually, about it being a problem overall people making new accounts and making it difficult for people who just don’t want to see their stuff. That’s why I asked cm0002 why he’s made so many accounts, I kind of get that aspect of it, you shouldn’t have to answer anyone’s questions if you just don’t want to see someone’s content. I just don’t get where this vitriol comes from about it. Like in the link I showed, he’s posting memes in a meme community and then people are upvoting them, and so they show up. I don’t get where the “ARGH HE’S RUINING LEMMY MAKE HIM STOP MAKE HIM STOP” part is coming from in that equation.
I guess I don’t subscribe to the meme communities
Same. But I do subscribe to a lot of technical communities where the cm0002 collective reposts, and that can get annoying.
I just don’t get where this vitriol comes from about it.
It’s actually really easy to understand. You said so yourself: ban evasion is annoying.
But, like, we are in a “rant” community. The original poster seems annoyed.
You don’t have to understand it at all. This isn’t yptb.
Yeah, me too, I hate when people post things lol
Like every time I see a history picture in the feed I’m like ARGHH FUCK THIS GAH GLU BO and I start chewing the furniture
Why come to a rant community and be sarcastic and condescending? The ranting is why they’re here.
You said so yourself: ban evasion is annoying.
Is cm0002 banned somewhere? Are they using new accounts to evade those bans in places they’ve been banned?
But, like, we are in a “rant” community. The original poster seems annoyed.
You don’t have to understand it at all. This isn’t yptb.
I do feel like if your “rant” is very specifically directed at some other specific person, and also seems factually untrue in a few different respects, then it’s worth asking some questions. Just because it’s a rant doesn’t mean it’s exempt from people having a reaction.
Why come to a rant community and be sarcastic and condescending?
Because it’s my way of making a point. In some societies, when someone aims criticism and vitriol at another human being, other people are allowed to defend that person or ask questions and see if it’s justified.
Because it’s my way of making a point.
Like a jerk? Gross! I don’t need that. No one needs that. See how you got downvoted for being condescending? No, you don’t. I love a guy who’s “just asking questions” in a shitty way.
“But they’re just posting!” Obtuse and rude. Neat!
“Vitriol.” Lmao
Edit: I knew eventually this would get downvoted more than upvoted! The assholes always come out of the woodwork on social media, it’s simply a matter of time.
Like every time I see a person not acting like a jerk I’m like ARGHH FUCK THIS GAH GLU BO and I start downvoting the comments
Edit: I knew eventually this would get downvoted more than upvoted! The assholes always come out of the woodwork on social media, it’s simply a matter of time.
“It’s not simply a matter of more eyes eventually reading and disagreeing! It’s just a bunch of assholes brigading!!1!”
That’s actually pretty cute. Do you really feel this way? My options are agree with you, or be an asshole? Mark me down as an asshole, then.
See how you got downvoted for being condescending?
No, you don’t. Cos we’re all just assholes, in here.
E: ducking autocorrupt
“Hey this guy’s a big piece of shit. I can’t even tell you what a piece of shit, I’m so angry, he’s total garbage, he’s the absolute worst and fuck him, we need to get rid of him.”
“What? I’ve never found this specific person you’re going after to be a piece of shit. Why do you say that? (specific questions and sarcasm)”
“Woooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww”
You seem lovely lol
(I’m going to take your response to mean he’s not actually banned anywhere)
No that’s the other fed
I think the broader solution is approval-based instance federation. I know that’s a little anti-fed, but this type of attack has no other solution I can think of, and banning a username just means the attacker rotates those, (too).
There’s steps in between. Rate limiting unverified server federations, etc. No need to inhibit discovery for casual users
I have a similar setup here. Isn’t ban evasion more effective when you don’t reuse a username? Also I see this person’s posts on the top most days, what exactly are they getting banned for?
I’m using multiple instance handles like they’re subreddit clusters, which is why I didn’t bother changing my name. Seems like something that people who check a lot of different comms of different sizes do
Ban evading, but using the same name.
ROFL. Not a lot of logic in that accusation I’d say.
username@whatever completely evades all blocks and bans on Lemmy. This isn’t arguable. Anyone can spin up an instance, use the same username and if they are so inclined use a botnet to upvote everything into the millions.
This comment shows that you don’t know how things work here.
Man it’s crazy how many people have no ability to self-reflect here
You can’t see why blocking a person could be useful? Yikes.
This is an excellent way to find people who don’t contribute though! A honeypot for jerks.
And it would be so fucking annoying if you just created more accounts so I had to run into your ass again
Keep the downvotes coming! I see you, I wish you’d comment so it’s easier to block the useless people. Cowards gonna be cowards though
This is an excellent way to find people who don’t contribute though! A honeypot for jerks.
And it would be _so fucking annoying_ if you just created more accounts so I had to run into your ass again
Does this mean I’m blocked? Looks like some gifts just wrap themselves!
And for the record, LMAO….
If I were going to ban evade, I don’t think I’d use the same name. Only people stupid enough to think this is a ban evading tactic would be dumb enough to do that. So trust me when I say, if you end up seeing me again, it’ll be under a different tame if I were the type to care enough about you to bother.
Which is why it’s so easy to ban people for being bad at attempting to evade/circumvent a ban. Obviously it’s harder to catch someone who’s smarter about it. You just try your best though.
The bare minimum is doing something about the lazy evasion attempts. though.
As far as I can tell, they are providing a valuable, wanted, service. It’s unfortunate that it’s impacting you negatively somehow, but I think people would prefer that they keep it up.
Is what they are doing bothering you, or did you just misunderstand the point of their behaviour, and assumed something malicious was going on?
The “service” has negative value. All it accomplishes is spam, doubling or quadrupling posts, and making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie. There is also no shot it isn’t just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml making the while “boycott” thing horseshit to begin with.
And at this point, random instances are being starved of resources by the account spam (the federation takes disk space and bandwidth).
making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie.
I have not done this once, please provide receipts on this. I have very specifically been against the admins of .ml and select provable Tankie users of .ml
There is also no shot it isn’t just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml
Well it isn’t, for one, the activity levels on .ml just isn’t that busy. For 2, I don’t personally watch .ml, I just have a hook into the RSS feed and just get a notification on my phone. Takes me <15 seconds to crosspost a post. Couldn’t bot it even if I wanted to, I have to be extremely selective because there’s always a propaganda post of some kind.
making the while “boycott” thing horseshit to begin with.
If people didn’t want it they wouldn’t upvote it. It’s that simple. You don’t get to speak for others.
Hijacking this comment. If you find their service valuable, you should consider using this social media site, it is home to much more content and behavior similar to what cm0002 post and do here on Lemmy!
