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Also every Hollywood agent with Jewish clients from 1900 until present day.
The names don’t have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means “he who hears”. Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means “rock”. So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
I am amazed that the name “Pierre” (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for “rock”
Rome and it’s consequences
Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock… Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
I thought Dwayne meant pipe?
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18
BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.
You can see them too?
Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I’m fond of.
Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says “Broadly speaking-” To which Plato responds “Yes I was now shut up”
also couldn’t the term mean “jacked” basically? like Plato= Daddy Swole essentially
Hmm, makes it more likely that Jesus never existed and the whole thing is made up by the church, imo. It’s always retrospective with names and meanings, especially if you name them “foundation”.
Jesus obviously existed. He wasn’t a god (he never claimed he was) but he obviously existed.
No, it’s not obvious at all. There’s no historic account of him aside of the bible. And yeah, the trinity thing, that was the church ~300 a.c.
There is historical account of him, just not from contemporary figures.
There are Roman historians who write of him, but they came years after.
It is generally accepted that the Christ figure is based on a historical figure however the story we are told now is much more tenuous as it is largely based on written works from folks who are retelling tales that may (or may not) have been known
Mind you we also have historical writings about Santa Claus
they don’t really talk of Jesus specifically though that’s the kicker.
If Jesus did miracles and had such an impact on the empire his name would be known his story would be better known.
The claim that Roman historians wrote about him is semi true they claim there are Christians and they have a Messiah but they never talk about what he did or anything. They mostly speak of the persecution of these people. So it makes a lot of things we think about Jesus unverified.
The only thing we know is Pontius Pilate under the rule of Tiberius allegedly killed their Messiah. That’s it.
The name Jesus, who he was or what he did is unverified and likely largely stolen. I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh was tied to being a carpenter or a son of a carpenter for instance
There are no contemporary records of Jesus.
Even of Pilate killing a guy named Jesus.
It all came later.
I’m simply saying there is a historical figure who fits the bill BUT the story as folks know it now starts as a retelling of a tale by people who came later.
So it starts with an untrustworthy narrator.
I’m not trying to say he existed one way or the other just that it’s more likely a guy did exist who loosely fits the bill and the story as we know it was able to grow and be built from there.
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
Now everything make sense. In spanish, “Peter” is “Pedro”, that sounds like “Piedra”, that means “Rock”
See also ‘petrify’ (make into rock) and ‘petroleum’ (rock fat)
The female for “Pedro” is “Petra”, what make it more obvious, and also “Petronila” is a woman name, that comes from “Petroleum”
I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum
“The name’s Diesel now”
Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called “Petronila” because were born in March 18th
omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means “rock”! i always assumed that was a coincidence
i was once taught by a guy named Pete Rock and he was the first to tell you that his name means Rock Rock lol
A: “Good job Tex.”
B: “My name is Sam sir, I’m from Wisconsin.”
A: “Nah, you’re Tex now.”
(This is my vague memory of a gag in an Atomic Robo comic)
I actually sometimes do that to people too :P
“From now, Willard, your name is Clark.”
Jesus has so many things in common with Trump. It’s crazy.
Two thousand years from now, people will be reading the gospel of Little Marco Rubio, Lyin Ted Cruz, and RINO Lindsey Graham. Maybe they’ll just be known as “Little”, “Lyin”, and “Rino”. And everything Trump has done will be said to be a miracle.
in the story of Jesus 47’s parallel is Caesar
So not in it at all and mentioned maybe 2-3 times as a historical figure?
It worked on Muhammad Ali too
Yubaba vibes
I’m imagining a Reservoir Dogs scene playing out about the names.
Someone on another mission trip is Acolyte Paul! I assign the names, otherwise we’d have a bunch of Jews dead from an argument over who gets to be Acolyte John. So, you are Acolyte Pink!
Even in the Bible they people with deadnames.
Paul’s is the funniest because he only got one letter changed from “Saul,” even though he had used to be the biggest menace. He was a Christian hunter. Not like a professional one, more like McCarthyism but against Christians.
Saul was a perfect example of sin, and Jesus said, “Let’s switch that 'S with a P, and he’s all good. '”
(Please don’t hurt me, I’m joking)
Edit: Wait, my bad. Jesus changed his Roman name, “Paul” to “Saul,” (which was Paul’s, Jewish name), and after Jesus died, when Paul moved to Rome, he went by “Paul” again. That’s also right before he was imprisoned and executed and where he’d write parts of the N.T.
I had to double-check everything, lol. That felt like the mendala effect. It turned out he also spent some time in the Bahamas dreaming about some guy named Yosef.
Saul (Sha’ul) is a Jewish/Hebrew name. Paulos is a Greek name. Even until now, bilingual people who are of a minority culture (compared to where they’re living) often have two names, one in their their native (family) language and one in the local majority language, one official, the other unofficial.
This was not limited to Paul, even in that immediate timeline. Levi (Jewish name) was also called Levi (Greek name). There’s no reason to believe Paul “changed” his name sheet his conversion. He continued to go by Saul after he became a Christian. He went by his Jewish name among Jewish people, then his Greek name when he travelled across Rome and interacted with Greek-speakers.
Ron Swanson vibes
I guess the people who downvoted you didn’t feel these situations were comparable
The cool thing about being on an instance with downvotes disabled is I never have to worry about this sort of petty random downvoting stuff because I never see downvotes.
I always recommend this to people. It literally fixes lemmy. People are really quick to downvote here and it’s a serious negative aura even if you have thick skin
you tend to do that when you and your buddies are up to street crime
What’s the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent meal of loaves and fishes?
taking multiple roman soldiers’ equipment a mile down the road, destruction of money lender property, theft of grain
The destruction of the money lenders property and the theft of grain were justified imo
as well as fucking with roman military logistics. i support all three of the things i listed
Not to mention destroying the local bread, fish, and wine economy.
