the UN, it addition to numerous countries including those with a Muslim majority population have investigated and concluded that the claims of genocide are a fabrication
The claims of genocide that appear in western media can be traced back to single source; Adrian Zenz a german christian fundamentalist who is on a self described ‘holy war to destroy China’ and writes books such has ‘Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,’
Do you really believe this nutjob is a more reliable source on events in Xinjiang than the UN’s Office of Human Rights?
Please read the entire article and don’t just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US’s similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn’t you quote them?
I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
A mental element: the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they’re are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7” “there are no innocent civilians there”
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.”
- Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
I’ll repeat I don’t deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it’s current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
" Also bro you sound like an 8th grader who thinks they’re the shit cause they watched a YouTube video about Mao. You talk all pseudo intellectual and try to use modifiers like “I concur” as if that strengthens your argument somehow. It doesn’t and it makes you sound dumb and like you have no ground to stand on.
You’re clearly intentionally misinterpreting me in bad faith
To the same point I’ve held throughout this entire conversation i.e that the actions of the Chinese government in the Xinjiang province do not constitute a genocide, I have literally used the definition you provided to illustrate how by that standard and using the evidence from the goverments accused themselves you can see how a real an active ongoing genocide such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza meets this definition, and that although the Chinese government has committed human right abuses in Xinjiang by the definition you provided they do not constitute a genocide
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“It’s well-documented!”
“May I see the documents?”
“…No.”
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Is this, like, your catchphrase?
source?
the UN, it addition to numerous countries including those with a Muslim majority population have investigated and concluded that the claims of genocide are a fabrication
The claims of genocide that appear in western media can be traced back to single source; Adrian Zenz a german christian fundamentalist who is on a self described ‘holy war to destroy China’ and writes books such has ‘Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation,’
Do you really believe this nutjob is a more reliable source on events in Xinjiang than the UN’s Office of Human Rights?
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Please read the entire article and don’t just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions
Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US’s similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide
Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn’t you quote them?
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I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang
From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;
So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they’re are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7” “there are no innocent civilians there”
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” - Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant
And here’s a database of 500 statements of genocidal intent from Israeli government leaders
I’ll repeat I don’t deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide
For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it’s current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?
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" Also bro you sound like an 8th grader who thinks they’re the shit cause they watched a YouTube video about Mao. You talk all pseudo intellectual and try to use modifiers like “I concur” as if that strengthens your argument somehow. It doesn’t and it makes you sound dumb and like you have no ground to stand on.
Go touch some grass you loser "
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You’re clearly intentionally misinterpreting me in bad faith
To the same point I’ve held throughout this entire conversation i.e that the actions of the Chinese government in the Xinjiang province do not constitute a genocide, I have literally used the definition you provided to illustrate how by that standard and using the evidence from the goverments accused themselves you can see how a real an active ongoing genocide such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza meets this definition, and that although the Chinese government has committed human right abuses in Xinjiang by the definition you provided they do not constitute a genocide
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