Currently on an enjoyable journey of de-googling, upping privacy, data sovereignty and so on.
Apps that do this just get it.
Installed Lineage 4 months ago. My phone uptime is 4 months.
I can’t emphasize how important it is for you to control your phone, especially notifications. Every notification is literally a mind hijacking attempt. Regardless of the type of notification, it’s something that disrupts our thinking and our flow.
Some of them are necessary—but most aren’t.
All the native apps will of course try to get as much permission from you as possible, including notifications. Don’t allow this permission freely.
Get really strict about which apps need to send you notifications, and when. Take it from a dude who used to give free reign to all apps for notifications.
Once I started thinking in a more digitally minimalistic way, it made a huge difference.
Running GrapheneOS actually helped with this a lot. But you don’t need GOS to do this and feel the difference.
I got some notifications turned on, but most of em are silent. So they still get delivered, but they’re not time-sensitive. They’ll be there when I check my phone next. I don’t need em interrupting whatever I was doing or thinking.
TL;DR: Be strict about which notifications you allow, and when. It’ll do wonders for your thinking, productivity, and mental health.
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Tell them about Molly: molly.im and Molly socket, molly is a signal fork with all the closed source stuff ripped out and replaced, and it lets you use unifiedpush
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Hmm, this seems not healthy. Are you sure you’re happy with them?
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do you remember what were they saying? they deleted everything
Yeah, but it’s not very exciting. Long story short, they’re still engaging in a toxic relationship via signal.
@aeharding@vger.social is a local hero
Hey thanks! ^^
Your name is purple! Witch!
Witch!
They turned me into a newt!
There’s de-googling and privacy and all…thats all great. But it is a completely separate thing to take back attention from distractions, bullshit notifications and letting tech overlords reach into our daily lives and disrupting our focus and attention whenever they feel like it. Notification real estate is hugely valuable and the default for every app should be “off”, with further fine tuning as needed. Better bulk settings are needed for notification settings adjustment.
Technology Connections has done a brilliant video about notifications recently.
I agree completely and believe it’s an issue for people with disabilities too. Hopefully more and more people are taking notice and speaking out. I bet good videos help raise awareness too!
I mean considering lemmy is public information and messages are unencrypted…
At this point, I gave up a long time ago on hiding my opinions. I’d rather die for my ability to speak out than to stay silent.
But I know that and choose to make public statements. Plus, there are ways to be anonymous-ish about it still
True, but my comment was about how it was irrelevant that voyager doesn’t allow tracking through notifications when Lemmy is inherently insecure. Although in an open communication like Lemmy the insecurity doesn’t matter as much.
oh, I thought OP’s point is Voyager does not even want you to bother with notifications that could make you more addicted
edit: someone else has taken it that way too: https://europe.pub/comment/7070900
I’ve made an assumption that op was referring to how messages can be pulled from push notification post decryption since they were talking about upping privacy and data sovereignty.
wait, I think maybe there is a misunderstanding in what happened in other apps. you are referring to the signal notifications thing, right?
Yes but its not just signal but any app with push notifications
one more thing: its not actually irrelevant for privacy whether lemmy sends our public comments across google’s push service. we are not anonymous, but we don’t use real names either so it’s partially private, but when google connects your notifications (or just the timestamp of them with comments here), they will be able to figure out what is your account. they can use that information for stalker marketing or give it to the authorities later on
ok. push notifications don’t universally leak your data. apps can receive either the message contents in the push notification, which is unsafe (less so if encrypted), or a ping that there is some kind of a new notification, upon which the app can connect to the server to fetch them. Popular messaging apps probably do the former for some reason. in mattermost its configurable by the server operator but defaults to leaking data. safe messaging apps don’t do this, they just send an empty notification or such, and the app checks in for updates. signal and matrix are like that, but in both cases they wouldn’t even be able to send the message when it is encrypted.
but back to voyager: to be able to use push notifications, the server needs to send them. Lemmy does not have the capability for that, probably not even in the 1.0 version they are working on. so the way for Voyager to fetch notifications is to check in periodically instead of using a push service.
Ah fair, didn’t think of it like that
Hi folks.
It was mainly my joy that an app’s default position is “we don’t do notifications”. I’ve never seen that before. Usually one is rushing to turn them off.
I guess its privacy on two levels; privacy from potential tracking, but also privacy from intrusion, constant attention etc.
I get that Lemmy is public and it could be irrelevant if my notifications are on or not. Its just such a refreshing position to see in an app.
I jumped on their github page and skimmed a few issues, and found this: https://github.com/aeharding/voyager/issues/1027
It looks like they just need to figure out a couple of issues before they implement notifications, so it might happen someday. But taking into account how old these issues are, it’s not their priority.
You’d still be able to just leave it turned off. It’s quite peaceful to lemmy without.
It’s crazy how unmotivated y’all are to form actual social links online. Notifications are actually very important for people who treat platforms interchangeably.
Notifications are actually very important for people who treat platforms interchangeably.
How so? At least, I don’t think that they’re important to Lemmy, as it’s not about real-time person-to-person communication, but rather discussion about topics.
It should probably facilitate discussions then 🤯 you can just silence & deprioritize notifications. The point is having it all in a unified feed. RSS does that well, but adding the RSS notifs of important shit + messages is helpful.
People often need to continue conversations to clarify information & elaborate… I can’t believe I’m saying something this obvious. Shades of Mastodon users justifying suicidal design choices that were later rolled back here.
Nice ad for one of the apps that constantly pushes instances in the World (which blocks VPNs, nice privacy dumbasses!) social graph in multiple interfaces that are not adaptive to user experience
https://lemmy.world/post/11967676
If you encounter an issue where you cannot post or comment, but voting is functioning correctly, it is most likely because we have implemented a block for VPN & Tor users.
Specifically allowing VPN voting 🤔 what a curious choice. Lemmy.world users are so stupid that they don’t even see the difference between having an anonymous account & having their IP scraped by random former Reddit mods. Raised in a barn, perhaps?
I’m not sure what the correct terms are, so I’ll refer to in-app/in-client notifications as internal notifications and mobile-style out-of-app notifications as external notifications.
Based on what people usually refer to with the word “notification” in the context of social applications and messaging services, and your comment, I’m assuming you’re talking about external notifications. If you mean all notifications in general, I’ve misunderstood your point and can ignore the rest of this comment. I do think that internal notifications are useful.
I’m not saying that external notifications are useless, but rather that I don’t feel that they’re as important as you seem to make it out to be.
Also, even if your Lemmy client doesn’t support external notifications, Lemmy supports RSS, which you can subscribe to with a different application.
It should probably facilitate discussions then
Discussions do not have to be between only two people, others can continue where someone else left off.
People often need to continue conversations to clarify information & elaborate…
This is true, but it doesn’t require notifications outside of the client. For example, I noticed your reply as Lemmy’s web UI showed that I had an unread message.
I don’t mind continuing a discussion over multiple days, though I’m not sure if this applies to everyone.
Shades of Mastodon users justifying suicidal design choices that were later rolled back here.
Could you elaborate? I don’t use Mastodon, as I don’t see the value in “micro-blogging” and prefer to follow topics rather than people.
As for the rest of your comment, I too disagree with blocking VPNs & Tor to fix their CSAM problem, but I don’t see how that is relevant to this discussion? Though I do not mind if you want to discuss that instead.
While I am still trying to wean off reddit, seeing the equivalent mail icon light up on threadiverse does not entail dread like on reddit
At least for now since I’ve only been replying to whimsical, silly etc. posts and comments lol
I’ll add to your dose fediverse fun instead of reddit comment regret.
Been using Voyager since it was called Wefwef for both mobile and desktop Lemmy, love it.
I just installed Voyager yesterday evening. I had to switch instances. On the new instance my old client (Thunder) didn’t load images consistently. I like it so far.
Wow same here, had actually forgotten it used to be called WefWef until you mentioned it.
I too disable notifications on all my news sources. They are reserved for personal connections only.
My dad on the other hand, often doesn’t see my messages, because he has always the notification stack full and doesn’t notice the new ones. Same in E-Mail inbox.
And can we please outlaw pre-selected newsletters? They are annoying anyway, if you don’t actively choose them.
That really is nice, right? I also like when my apps have no mechanism to connect to the internet, so you don’t have to worry about trackers, data exultation, etc.
no it doesnt get it, i actually tried to turn it on but they dont have the option :/
notifications off by default is good tho
I’m using voyager right now and I love it.
I’m still not sure if those are a second pair of whiskers, or if it’s a Wallace & Gromit style mouth
I can’t unsee that now. 😫
I don’t even bother with most apps anymore unless I have to. I use the Photon UI, so https://p.lazysoci.al/ or https://photon.lemmy.world/
Can you tell me more about that? I was able to see this thread on those links but not familiar with Photon. I searched a bit but a few different techie things came up.
You had me at “don’t even bother with most apps any more…” 😁
The alternative frontends need to be added to a Lemmy server by the admins so not everywhere has them. Lemmy.world has quite a few though which are listed in the sidebar.
Ah OK thanks. Its not an app as such. I get you now. I was searching for an app or UI install called Photon!
Thank you!
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