Hello! So two things:

  1. I would like to have a discussion about the UHC CEO killing and if it is at all any different than the ~45 murders a day in the USA…(other than the obvious “he was rich” one). -Typical Christmas family get together brought this up as a topic and was curious about the different perspectives. Argument made by others was “this sets a bad precedent”, and the response was “how is this any different than someone getting murdered for literally any reason”. Hate, lust, money, your car…whatever the motivation, how is this any different?

  2. Is there a better location to post said discussion topic?

I mostly lurk Lemmy, so not really sure how to find the correct communities for said topic.

Thanks!

  • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
    512·
    5 days ago

    The way I see it, this was just another shooting. Except, instead of targeting innocents or literal children, it was someone who actually played some part in making them so desperate

    And in the first 48 hours, the adjuster did more to shake the health insurance racket than decades of the public demanding change.

    They say we need the rule of law, otherwise we just have mob rule… But maybe it’s worth wondering if mob rule isn’t as bad as it’s cracked up to be

    • Dark Arc@social.packetloss.ggEnglish
      25·
      5 days ago

      It’s been said that those that make change via peaceful means impossible, invite violence.

      I don’t like that someone was shot, but this is the direction we’re heading unless we can get this fixed.

      It’s not just health care either, it’s every large corporation trying to get more from their employees and more from their customers without giving back anything in exchange … or realizing that they have enough.

      The infinite growth mindset is out of control and ridiculous.

    • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      81·
      5 days ago

      I’d argue that this wasn’t mob rule. It’s not like a chaotic group that went a too far. This was a targetted attack on an evil aggressor. This was the people getting a little bit of justice.

      • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Fair, but I think our understandings of mob rule differ

        To me, mob rule isn’t just mobs with pitchforks, it’s when people get so upset by injustice, they turn to violence. Humans are naturally very averse to killing, even in war, with their lives on the line, most people struggle to kill (hence the psychological techniques like dehumanization and tearing people down until they can follow orders without thinking much)

        Imagine a feudal lord who works his people to death. To me, a knife in the back or poison in the wine is mob rule, assuming it’s organic and/or the people tacitly support it by closing ranks around the assassin

        It’s anarchy, which is not the absence of rules, but the absence of explicit laws. Is the natural human state - we don’t need laws from the state or from sky daddy to get along.

        Laws create clear lines (theoretically), which say “if you’re on this side you’re safe”

        Mob rule means “if you piss people off so bad they turn on you, you suffer the consequences”. You don’t get clear lines to exploit, you don’t get to hide behind bureaucracy…you’re just responsible for your actions in a very organic way

    • mke_geek@lemm.ee
      13·
      4 days ago

      You want to bring back “mob rule” such as allowing people to gang up and lynch people they don’t like? That’s disgusting.