• stinky@redlemmy.com
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    6 days ago

    You’re arguing that liberalism isn’t to the left of conservatism. It’s been fun. Thanks for the laughs. :)

    • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      6 days ago

      Liberalism is a conservative ideology, yes. It’s the ideology of capitalism and western imperialism.

      Leftism is the political realm of anti-capitalists. In a political dichotomy, liberalism stands on the right with other capitalist ideologies. Leftists stand opposed to them both. Liberalism is the ideology of billionaires, of strike breaking, of economic prosperity for the wealthy being the measuring stick of how successful a society is.

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        4 days ago

        Liberalism is not a conservative ideology. You are confused. Read the Wikipedia article on conservativism at the very least. Conservatism is a pro-royalist, monarchich and aristocratic philosophy that emerged explicitly as a reaction to liberalism.

        Conservatism and liberalism are both in favor of billionaires, they disagree on where power lies and who can be billionaires. Conservatives believe royals and hereditary aristocrats with royal backing can be billionaires. Liberals believe merchants can be billionaires.

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        5 days ago

        Here are the definitions I’m using:

        Dunn, John (1993), Western Political Theory in the Face of the Future, Cambridge University Press:

        political rationalism, hostility to autocracy, cultural distaste for conservatism and for tradition in general, tolerance, and … individualism

        Iain McLean and Alistair McMillan (2009), Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics:

        liberalism In general, the belief that it is the aim of politics to preserve individual rights and to maximize freedom of choice.

        Where are you getting your definitions from? I feel like you’re just making them up.

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      4 days ago

      Liberalism is to the left of conservatism. The problem is that you don’t have many conservatives in the USA. Conservatism is a philosophy that emerged as a reaction to liberalism in Renaissance Europe. Specifically, conservativism is a philosophy supporting monarchy and hereditary aristocracy linked to monarchy. There are very very few people in the USA who are conservatives. Instead, what the USA calls conservatives are regressive liberals and what the USA calls liberals are neoliberals and progressive liberals.