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12 packs of cigs seems like a huge luxury
For a month? It’s just dried shredded leaves wrapped in paper, cigarettes are super cheap to produce, tax makes them expensive.
You didn’t live in the eighties I bet. It was cheap back then and everyone smoked.
average smoker smokes about 20 cigarettes a day. so it’s a little less than half of a monthly use of cigarettes.
from what i understand the ration was meant to supplement what you consume, not provide everything
Is 20 cigs a day honestly the average nowadays?? Mind blowing and sad. My mum who was an addicted smoker since she was 10 years of age and went through maybe 5 to 10 cigs a day.
it’s been the average for a long time. it’s due to nicotine’s pharmacological effects. its half life is roughly 1~2 hours. so a smoker on average will feel the compulsion to smoke an hour or so after the last cigarette. since most people are awake somewhere 16 hours a day, that’s about ~16 cigarettes a day.
your mom’s smoking habits were definitely atypical
This is what Conservatives around the world want and glory hallelujah we are almost there! The only difference is all those rations will not come from the government but from corporations paid for by the government.
- 4 boxes Kraft Mac and Cheese
- 6 cans Heinz Beans
- Etc.
This ladys eating better than I do
How?
With an average net income ranging from 1100 USD to 2400 USD, any average worker should eat better than this
This lady monthly rations amount to approximately 160 USD, while the average minimum wage workers spends from 260 to 350 USD worth on groceries
Which I really doubt is a problem, given that the median of the monthly income in usa is about 5k usd
Unpopular opinion: we need to ration electricity consumption as well as fuel today, even in capitalists countries. Because that stuff actually has incredible impact on the planet, and will (must) drive consumption down, so that companies / individuals start integrating “efficiency” into their thinking
I don’t see any other solution to the “exponentially growing power consumption” problem.
I don’t see any other solution to the “exponentially growing power consumption” problem.
In the U.S., at least, power generation has been roughly flat for the last 20 years, not growing exponentially:
That’s excluding our hard on for AI the last few years. Would love to see this updated.
I’m surprised by how much natural gas makes up the mix.
Power usage levels in the US, though, are insane compared to mother countries.
electricity is only a tiny fraction of energy use.
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Power for the power god
time to self-host a powerplant?
Pigouvian taxes are a traditional solution to negative externalities, and they are often better received by the public than rationing.
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It’s expensive to be poor - the lights turning off a few days before the end of the month will incur even more costs than a higher electricity bill.
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Taxes raise money for other programs, instead of costing money to enforce rationing.
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Higher taxes in general will also help reduce inflation.
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Tax revenue can be spent on stimulus checks to offset the cost for people who use less energy than average.
Rather than stimulus checks we need to be using the money to subsidize alternatives. And we can just switch subsidies. Some examples of that include that by reducing cattle subsides we can subsidize lower emissions meat alternatives or even offer free classes on how to cook meals that happen to be lower emissions, and we can stop funding airports and put that money into rail systems, similarly by removing mandatory minimum parking and reducing road funding that money can be put into transit solutions that enable less car centric lifestyles.
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Looks equivalent what you’d get at a Canadian food bank nowadays that’s meant for 3 days.
Was this meant to be supplemented?
That’s a very good question
Shieet i could down all of that in 3 days easy
damn that’s like 8000 calories per day
Here’s a fun fact, people generally underestimate the number of calories in a thing by 20-30%. Which you have also just done.
The total calories consumed each day if it’s all consumed in 3 days, not including the cooking oil or the vodka, would be 11,145.
You could smoke 4 packs a day for 3 days?
Easy
Yes. I’d also eat those bags of sugar and flour that I totally overlooked
Can someone calculate the calories in that? I’m too lazy.
Maybe don’t include the sugar. That’s a shit ton of sugar to go through in month.
Ballpark estimate, excluding the sugar:
2.5kg beef: ~6265 Calories
0.5l vodka: ~1082 Calories
1.3kg white rice: ~4743 Calories
1.3kg flour: ~4732 Calories
500g butter: ~3585 Calories
300g cooking oil (Google says rapeseed oil is popular in Poland so I used that): ~2652 Calories
250g chocolate: ~1338 Calories
Total: 24,397 Calories or ~813 Calories per day
Some other people online also did the math and came up with similar numbers. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37027027 came up with 33,063 Calories (including the sugar)
Nice, that was super fast. I guess it’s probably enough for one person to survive if they practically don’t move at all the entire month, for a little while at least.
Still not pleasant I imagine.
What would you be willing to do to ensure that your fellow citizens aren’t dying of literal hunger on the streets?
(Clearly to most Americans, that answer is “absolutely nothing”)
Exactly, and thst sounds like the sort of rations Americans had during the world wars. It was supplimented by a mass movement of community gardens. Personally I’m more a fan of the ration points system we used so that you aren’t stuck with stuff you won’t use and those who’d rather eat like Hannibal of Carthage and go less hungry can do that while those who’d rather eat more resource intensive foods like meat can accept the cost of their demands in the form of calories. Though that may just be because I’ve always been the sort who’d rather be full of lentils and potatoes than hungry after a burger, even before I quit meat.
Though that may just be because I’ve always been the sort who’d rather be full of lentils and potatoes than hungry after a burger,
I think some of us have experienced poverty (or near-poverty) in our lives, so we understand things like this.
That’s what the cigarettes are for
But what if I wanted to eat the soap?
Yummy bubbles
You get another 333 calories from the sugar, add it to the vodka!
They have almost as much sugar as starch, 2.5kg of meat, and no other protein?
Now you know why people don’t smile in Poland.
Hey, I’m Polish and I do sometimes smile. I am living in Denmark, dough.
I’m not gonna say that’s anywhere near sufficient, but as a US citizen where do I sign up
To be ration-limited by what you can purchase? I’m sure that’s a fad diet somewhere.
I might bring tankies out of the woodwork for saying this, but I remember one time a tankie told me that scarcity in communist countries is by design and it’s a good thing, after I pointed out that people had to be on the waiting list just to get a car. What if the person lives in rural with no access to public transport?
I understand capitalism is wasteful, but doing the extreme opposite and making people wait to own a car or giving someone bare essentials is not a good thing. Having a scarcity economy is not good, especially considering that the Soviet Union produced more tanks than cars throughout its history. The American military industrial complex is rightly criticised for overspending, but communist countries are worse since the case is that more tanks were made than civilian cars. It means more budget went to the military than to producing consumer good. Talk about priorities.
Not a tankie, nor a communist, just a progressive with an interest in history, but,
after I pointed out that people had to be on the waiting list just to get a car. What if the person lives in rural with no access to public transport?
Is such a US-centric view. They all didn’t need to drive cars, dude, they had public transportation.
Edit: Added emphasis for people having trouble reading
Do you think that every single person in Europe is perfectly served by public transport?
Nope. Did I say that?
No but the person you replied to called out a specific scenario in which the person lives in a rural area with no public transport access which is a real thing in every single country, with good public transit or not.
The concept of someone not having access to public transit isn’t an American centric point of view.
Yes, busses were relatively common and affordable, but many of them were smelly and horrible. Except for the Icaruses, the passengers of which felt like kings among men.
Not all countries have good public transport system. Imagine living in Siberia at the time of the communists, unless you’re in gulag which doesn’t require you to travel to other places.
Soviet Union had a limited ability to produce things, especially heavy machinery. Their leadership quickly realised that they can’t outproduce the Western countries on everything, so they decided to only match their military production capabilities. Which led to them falling further and further behind.
No, are you sure? /s
Don’t take what tankied say like they mean it, it’s just propaganda / they amuse themselves coming up with lies that you have to unravel and defeat. And if you do so, then magically the discussion is over and we’ll talk about some other thing.
Well if you really want to be restricted purchasing the maximum amount of those items then you don’t need to sign up. Just limit your monthly amount to be as displayed.
Oh, she looks so happy!
I’m as anti-capitalist as it comes but how the hell would this even last half a week, let alone a night with the vodka, rice, and sweets
These are just the goods that are rationed/limited. These were the goods with the highest demand and lowest supply. There are unrationed goods that could still be purchased, like potatoes.
This makes so much more sense.
Didn’t know! I limited potatoes sounds good
The rice is about 6 us measuring cups worth, and 1 cup is enough for 2 people to have a meal after it soaks up a bunch of water (plus a bit little vodka and sugar for taste).
The Flour can make several loaves of bread as well, it’s about 5000 Calories for that bag without considering oil added for a nice focaccia or butter and milk for a classic brioche.
If each person gets this then it can
be sufficientlast a week or two, but I assume it was supplementary in nature.There’s no yeast included though. Are they also maintaining a sourdough starter with that ration? Also a brioche would probably use up quite a bit of their ration for the month and possibly last about a week. Lastly, who puts vodka in rice?
Ah right, Monthly lol I was thinking more like weekly or biweekly. Yeah, this isn’t enough.
Vodka: 10/10 with rice
Questions comrade?
Lastly, who puts vodka in rice?
I imagine people with limited resources who are receiving rations that include a handful of items that you occasionally need to get creative with.
It’s like the show Chopped, but much less fun.
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The vodka acts as a sort of Rice Vinegar replacement, I would stir it in after the rice has cooked since alcohol evaporates at lower temp.
One cup of uncooked rice does not make enough for me for dinner, I don’t know how you think two can dine on that.
Well, the typical serving size for uncooked rice is 1/2 cup. Or 1/4 cup if it’s a side dish. That’s typically what I make for my wife and I when we have rice. Perhaps you just like more than the average person does?
Yet 1/2c is the serving size. I can never decide if that’s a useless fiction or a good reminder that rice is a lot of carbs. Anyhow, I’m down to 1.5c (uncooked) for two people
Fluffy rice is pretty filling, imo.
Pretty sure they’d grow their own vegetables
That’s not enough butter. I would have been put down young for rioting about criminally low amounts of butter.
I thought I used a lot of butter. You use more than a pound a month?
Holy shit that’s a lot. I use about 10 grams per portion of 1 meal, usually breakfast.
I don’t eat that daily but even like that, 30 full days non stop , that’s like 300 grams
What the hell are you guys doing up there with a pound of butter?
Oh no, don’t tell me. I don’t want to know
Wow, I see the sugar industry was as influential there as it was in America.
