• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    13 days ago

    If you can distinctly disagree with it then it’s not word salad. You’re just pulling insults from a hat.

    The comparison between shmucks-in-charge is crystal clear. No CEO plans and runs an entire company. They have layers of people under them. They are still in charge. They pick those planners, and tell them what to do, in broad terms.

    Your argument against this is that the state only has half the economy… and even that is undercut by acknowledging they “heavily plan” the other half.

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      13 days ago

      No, my argument is that framing Xi as a CEO is nonsense. I disagree with the framing as it isn’t accurate.

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        13 days ago

        That’s not an argument. That’s a conclusion. The argument is the “why” part. Why is not not accurate?

        You tried arguing why, and missed. That’s what all the stuff about layers of planners is about. If those are the actual reasons you reached this conclusion, it should change.

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            13 days ago

            Oh sorry, do CEOs not exist on your planet? Are they not in executive control of a hierarchy, with only theoretical means to remove them? Do they not set long-term plans and broad strategic goals, within the context of a global market economy? Y’know - the thing you acknowledge Xi Jinping does, as you try to say he shares no qualities whatsoever with people who do the same thing in the private sector?

            Because that’s what it would take for your response to be anything besides empty signalling to people who dogmatically agree with you just because of who you’re defending. Fairies aren’t real. CEOs are. National executives share enough in common, at the best of times, that idiots and assholes think states should “be run like a business.”

            What happens when a state does control half of a country’s business, and “heavily plans” the other half?

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              Xi can be recalled, he just hasn’t because he’s wildly popular. The other aspects, such as having some level of control, becomes “Xi is a leader.” Not a leaders are CEOs.

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                13 days ago

                Hey look, an argument! Why’d you jerk me around seven times before trying that?

                He’s a leader in charge of goddamn near an entire economy. Half of it - by your own reckoning - directly under the state he controls. The other half - as you say - “heavily planned.” How is he not as responsible for those industries as any CEO is responsible for their company? Is it just because he’s even higher up the chain?

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                  “CEO” implies he does so so he can personally profit, moreover it implies he is uncontestable. Neither is true, which is why your comparison is akin to calling him a fairy.

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                    CEOs get removed all the time. Fairies still don’t exist.

                    Do you wanna talk about Xi’s motives for consolidating power, and how money pales in comparison to deciding which rich assholes get disappeared or executed?

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                  13 days ago

                  How is he not as responsible for those industries as any CEO is responsible for their company?

                  Xi is neither a dictator nor a CEO, he is the head of the CPC and the president of China, a largely ceremonial position.

                  CEOs run private capitalist enterprises. The Chinese state runs public enterprises, so they aren’t run on the logic of capitalism. These public enterprises don’t even need to make a profit, because the Chinese state has fiat monetary sovereignty. In other words, it has infinite money[1].