I wouldn’t say I’m a transphobe since I’m not scared of trans people. I generally support causes for trans people except if its for trans women being in womens sports or trans children
Kids should not have the ability to make permanent life-altering decisions, period. We don’t let kids get a tattoo or drink so why the fuck should they be allowed to change their gender
Why the fuck do you care so much what medical care other people’s children receive? Are you against cancer treatment for children because they aren’t old enough to decide whether they want the effects of the treatment? Fucking hell I’m so sick of this shit ass argument.
I’m pretty sure you’re mentioning me when you say immature behavior so I’ll chime in here too.
I’m not being immature. I’m just cussing you the fuck out because your ideology literally kills people. And you’re trying so hard to not change your ideas about this that you’re diving into false equivalencies and strawmans.
The “immature behaviour” I’m showing here is not nearly as bad as the actual immature behaviour you show to millions of children you deny the experience of that have to go through mental hell.
And I think the treatment for it should only be given to adults due to the permanence of the operation, and the very real and common possibility of one wanting to detransition, especially if transitioning is done at a younger age
The cost to the individual and society is less if they’re only allowed to do it as adults
To say that every single kid who doesn’t transition is going to kill themselves is such an insane and emotionally manipulative take. By this logic you could say that because a kid is going to kill himself because he won’t get an AK47, you should give the kid an AK47
I hope you know that you can prevent secondary effects without always solving the original primary effect. It’s a lot safer and cheaper to do so
Tell me where I said “every single kid who doesn’t transition is going to kill themselves”. Tell me where I said that. Because as far as my eye can see, I just cited sources for my claims on transgender children taking their lives more than their peers, especially when having cut access to gender affirming care.
And holy fuck dude, I really didn’t think you would stoop this low. You literally think gender dysphoria is equivalent to wanting an AK and killing oneself if one can’t get it.
Tell me how many children have killed themselves because they couldn’t get access to such a silly thing. Show me the data. Because it seems that you think CHILDREN in a specific marginalized group with specific needs are KILLING THEMSELVES over 4 TIMES MORE because they are just being fucking petty.
I hope you know that you can prevent secondary effects without always solving the original primary effect. It’s a lot safer and cheaper to do so
“Bro, just try to prevent children from killing themselves while they live the worst, most depressed years of their life when they feel like they don’t even belong in their own body bro. It’s much cheaper to do so bro.” Shut the fuck up and just take the L at this point. Your arguments are pathetic.
And here we see yet another person screeching like a banshee over a Lemmy thread
You were overgeneralising your own argument by stating that if children didn’t receive gender affirming care they would “likely kill themselves”. That is what you said. The word “likely” is doing insane amounts of heavy lifting, however it implies that they are more likely to kill themselves than not. You are saying I am misconstruing your point when I understood it in the way that any other person would
Trans children are 4x more likely to commit suicide. Okay, well do you think that’s simply because of there not being gender affirming care available? Or do you think its because of the actual transphobia perpetuated in our media and society that you accuse me of?
Sure, the AK47 example was a tad bit extreme and I will concede that it was a bad example, but the point still stands that children should not be making permanent life-altering changes. The fact is, the cost to society and the individual itself due to detransitioning will likely be greater
I support trans people and their plight for acceptance in this world but this rhetoric and ideology is not how you do it
And here we see yet another person screeching like a banshee over a Lemmy thread
“People get angry when I spread rhetoric that kills children, and that makes me sad :(” Quit whining dickhead.
Trans children are 4x more likely to commit suicide. Okay, well do you think that’s simply because of there not being gender affirming care available? Or do you think its because of the actual transphobia perpetuated in our media and society that you accuse me of?
Do you not know how to read? How many more times do I need to share this statistic with you?:
I support trans people and their plight for acceptance in this world but this rhetoric and ideology is not how you do it
The extent of my ideology I have shared in this comment thread is wanting children to not have to go through mental torment because some person somewhere doesn’t like the idea of them thinking for themselves. You know nothing more about what my ideas are. Period.
Edit: Just saw your statement about me using the word likely. Likely doesn’t mean 100%. Here’s a definition of that word for you:
Anyone possessing the tiniest bit of intellectual integrity can tell who is talking while providing actual data, evidence, and objectivity; and who is talking with 0 experience with gender dysphoria while going against the current scientific consensus and going down the barrel even more while actively being mocked.
Lemmy is generally queer-friendly, but it’s not a “mob”. I’ve been on/off this platform ever since Reddit closed down its API and I can easily say that supporting trans kids medically transitioning is not a majority opinion on this platform as can easily be seen by comparing the downvotes on sunglocto’s bullshit against the upvotes of my replies. People downvote them because it’s so obvious that they’re just clutching pearls at this point, but they don’t really want to agree with me either so they skip on voting.
But please, share your nuance on this topic with me :)
I wouldn’t say I’m a transphobe since I’m not scared of trans people. I generally support causes for trans people except if its for trans women being in womens sports or trans children
I’m not going to talk about trans women in sports as that has already been addressed in another comment.
For your trans children comment. Why? Why the fuck? You know that them not transitioning doesn’t mean they’re not trans, right? You know that it just means they’ll likely kill themselves, right?:
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/
https://goodlawproject.org/new-data-shows-surge-in-trans-kids-suicides-following-healthcare-rollbacks/
Kids should not have the ability to make permanent life-altering decisions, period. We don’t let kids get a tattoo or drink so why the fuck should they be allowed to change their gender
Why the fuck do you care so much what medical care other people’s children receive? Are you against cancer treatment for children because they aren’t old enough to decide whether they want the effects of the treatment? Fucking hell I’m so sick of this shit ass argument.
If you genuinely think that gender affirming care is the same as cancer treatment then you are long gone
Funny how everyone here can’t communicate about this without instantly breaking into immature behaviour
I’m pretty sure you’re mentioning me when you say immature behavior so I’ll chime in here too.
I’m not being immature. I’m just cussing you the fuck out because your ideology literally kills people. And you’re trying so hard to not change your ideas about this that you’re diving into false equivalencies and strawmans.
The “immature behaviour” I’m showing here is not nearly as bad as the actual immature behaviour you show to millions of children you deny the experience of that have to go through mental hell.
Yeah, the difference is you think one condition exists and the other doesn’t. Because you’re being an idiot, on purpose apparently.
I’m very much aware that gender dysphoria exists
And I think the treatment for it should only be given to adults due to the permanence of the operation, and the very real and common possibility of one wanting to detransition, especially if transitioning is done at a younger age
The cost to the individual and society is less if they’re only allowed to do it as adults
What do you think gender affirming care for children is? “The operation”, for fucks sake.
I said it’s an operation because… it is? What are you trying to say here?
Is suicide not a life-altering decision you fucking moron? Do you think that tattoos are as much of an emergency as gender affirming care?
Address what I actually said and sourced dipshit.
To say that every single kid who doesn’t transition is going to kill themselves is such an insane and emotionally manipulative take. By this logic you could say that because a kid is going to kill himself because he won’t get an AK47, you should give the kid an AK47
I hope you know that you can prevent secondary effects without always solving the original primary effect. It’s a lot safer and cheaper to do so
Tell me where I said “every single kid who doesn’t transition is going to kill themselves”. Tell me where I said that. Because as far as my eye can see, I just cited sources for my claims on transgender children taking their lives more than their peers, especially when having cut access to gender affirming care.
And holy fuck dude, I really didn’t think you would stoop this low. You literally think gender dysphoria is equivalent to wanting an AK and killing oneself if one can’t get it.
Tell me how many children have killed themselves because they couldn’t get access to such a silly thing. Show me the data. Because it seems that you think CHILDREN in a specific marginalized group with specific needs are KILLING THEMSELVES over 4 TIMES MORE because they are just being fucking petty.
“Bro, just try to prevent children from killing themselves while they live the worst, most depressed years of their life when they feel like they don’t even belong in their own body bro. It’s much cheaper to do so bro.” Shut the fuck up and just take the L at this point. Your arguments are pathetic.
And here we see yet another person screeching like a banshee over a Lemmy thread
You were overgeneralising your own argument by stating that if children didn’t receive gender affirming care they would “likely kill themselves”. That is what you said. The word “likely” is doing insane amounts of heavy lifting, however it implies that they are more likely to kill themselves than not. You are saying I am misconstruing your point when I understood it in the way that any other person would
Trans children are 4x more likely to commit suicide. Okay, well do you think that’s simply because of there not being gender affirming care available? Or do you think its because of the actual transphobia perpetuated in our media and society that you accuse me of?
Sure, the AK47 example was a tad bit extreme and I will concede that it was a bad example, but the point still stands that children should not be making permanent life-altering changes. The fact is, the cost to society and the individual itself due to detransitioning will likely be greater
I support trans people and their plight for acceptance in this world but this rhetoric and ideology is not how you do it
“People get angry when I spread rhetoric that kills children, and that makes me sad :(” Quit whining dickhead.
Do you not know how to read? How many more times do I need to share this statistic with you?:
The extent of my ideology I have shared in this comment thread is wanting children to not have to go through mental torment because some person somewhere doesn’t like the idea of them thinking for themselves. You know nothing more about what my ideas are. Period.
Edit: Just saw your statement about me using the word likely. Likely doesn’t mean 100%. Here’s a definition of that word for you:
It’s Lemmy. Don’t expect nuance on this. Expect pitchforks if you don’t 100 percent agree with the mob. lol
Anyone possessing the tiniest bit of intellectual integrity can tell who is talking while providing actual data, evidence, and objectivity; and who is talking with 0 experience with gender dysphoria while going against the current scientific consensus and going down the barrel even more while actively being mocked.
Lemmy is generally queer-friendly, but it’s not a “mob”. I’ve been on/off this platform ever since Reddit closed down its API and I can easily say that supporting trans kids medically transitioning is not a majority opinion on this platform as can easily be seen by comparing the downvotes on sunglocto’s bullshit against the upvotes of my replies. People downvote them because it’s so obvious that they’re just clutching pearls at this point, but they don’t really want to agree with me either so they skip on voting.
But please, share your nuance on this topic with me :)
Nah. No way am I jumping in to this fray. I’ll watch everyone yell at each other. I want no part of it. Thanks, though.
You should consider deleting your account and going back to Facebook