• InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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      7 months ago

      You can play the blame game all you want, but what’s going to help anyone today?

      Well isn’t that fucking rich, since Israel right now today is committing a genocide, a real, actual ethnicity-wiping-out, mass-child-murder genocide. I think we can go ahead and “play the blame game” there and blame Zionists for doing a bit worse than an oopsie. What makes you saying that even more tone deaf is that the Zionists are trying to victim-blame it on Palestinians! Maybe once everyone understands who really is to fucking blame here, it will make helping people today a lot more possible.

      I am not personally responsible for what people did decades before I was born.

      You are personally responsible for any ways in which you benefit from the continued oppression of a people whose stolen land many of them were murdered for that you continue to live on.

      Why – and where – should I evacuate?

      Why? You’re asking why should you give back something your parents stole from people that are still asking for it back (the ones who survived anyway)? As for where you should “evacuate,” you could probably just stay there in the post-occupation Palestine, it just wouldn’t be an apartheid ethnostate, rather a state that doesn’t deny the human rights of people by their ethnicity and religion and actually affords justice with equity, part of which includes returning land to those individual people and families it was stolen from. In fact if you’re not in a house that literally belonged to a violently-evicted Palestinian family, or in a house that was built over the bulldozed ruins of homes of Palestinians, then you may be fine living exactly where you are right now. I know you have the settler-colonial mindset of being afraid of violent reprisal for the crimes your parents previously committed and your government currently is committing, but no, actually most people even after horrendous oppression don’t feel the need or even desire to go on a killing spree of their oppressors. White settler South Africans were afraid of that too, but no, turns out oppressed people tend not to behave like violent settler colonists themselves did. If you were still afraid of that anyway, you could as you said, evacuate since from my understanding many western states would sponsor you to move there.

      Two states living peacefully side by side is the only future that isn’t a genocide.

      This is complete nonsense. I hope you read the rest of the thread, because this fact has been made clear. There is precedent for this.

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            7 months ago

            Okay, let me rephrase… Do you think most Palestinians want that? I think the number of people who want that, both Israeli and Palestinian, is negligible. And I count myself among them.

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                7 months ago

                That’s not what I asked. I asked if you think most Palestinians want to live in the same country under the same shared government as the Jewish population that lives here?

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                  The Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslisms seemed to be pretty okay with living together.

                  Then European Jews showed up and installed their own genocidal, apartheid ethnostate. Obviously that ethnostate—which is a political entity, distinct from the European Jews themselves—must go.

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                    7 months ago

                    Are you joking?

                    Me:

                    I’d be perfectly happy with a single state that belongs to everyone […] But that’s not an option

                    You:

                    But that’s not an option

                    Behold the brain damage of zionism, where only apartheid is possible.

                    What a barbaric and uncivilized philosophy.

                    Me:

                    Forget Israelis. Do you think any palestinian wants that?

                    Who’s moving the goalposts? I think you’re projecting.

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          7 months ago

          Why do you think a new state being formed would be worse than the current genocidal settler colonial state slaughtering children for sport?

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              I didn’t ask you if it was or not. Why do you think a new state would be worse than the present genocidal settler-colonial state of Israel?

              In order to be against a new one-state solution, you’d have to prove why you think the present situation is preferable, or that there aren’t better alternatives.

              As it stands, you are tacitly approving the genocide and settler-colonialism, even if you don’t morally agree with it, which is why I am asking what your problem with a one-state solution is.

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                As I said, I don’t have a problem with it. I literally said that’s what I’d be happy with. I just don’t see it as realistic.

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                    7 months ago

                    Because of gestures at everything maybe?

                    I’d really fucking love to stop oil companies from polluting our planet and making climate change worse by the day, but it’s not realistic to shut them down tomorrow. Do I need to explain why that’s not realistic either?