If your blood isn’t boiling yet from what the west is sponsoring in Gaza, you can have some fun learning of what Belgium (and the US) did in the Congo after they “left”.
I read a book about the Congo. One thing that really stood out to me was the Malaysian guy on the UN boat. The only transport in the interior of the Congo is a UN paid gunboat.
He basically said “this country had colonialism my country had colonialism. They can’t keep using that excuse forever. This country is shit today because of the locals, they need to make it better instead of acting like they have no control over their own country.”
The best sub Saharan countries were the ones that had the most white influence. WW2, America and Russia kinda fucked up the exist though.
“this country had colonialism my country had colonialism. They can’t keep using that excuse forever. This country is shit today because of the locals, they need to make it better instead of acting like they have no control over their own country.”
I think comparing the colonialism of Malaysia and the Congo is incredibly idiotic. The Belgian Congo under Leopold is arguably one of the most harrowing examples of people in bondage in human history.
They really aren’t even similar forms of colonization, which makes sense considering Malaysia was colonized nearly 300 years before Congo. Malaysia was also composed of a more uniform ethnic group, while the Congos borders were invented by colonizer states diving up the continent.
Most of the problems in Africa are a direct result of Europeans creating nation states with no regard to historical ethnic conflicts.
Some Malaysian guy working for the UN in Congo said it not me.
The problem is tribal regions in Africa are so small that the countries would be tiny. Plus there is a lot of aggression between the different tribes, they have been at war forever but luckily when guns got to the country it was with the whites keeping law and order. They stopped a lot of tribal conflicts m. When the whites left all this tribal conflicts resurfaced and genocides happened but now with guns.
It’s not like anyone even today and can say what the borders should have been. Sure there are mistakes and there would be an issue with borders however they are divided. But at some point it’s what’s you got and how you got to deal with it.
Malaysia is a very “divided” country with Chinese, Indians, Maylays but they aren’t a divided country.
Some Malaysian guy working for the UN in Congo said it not me.
Yeah, but your arguments have been supportive of his statements.
The problem is tribal regions in Africa are so small that the countries would be tiny.
Maybe small for Africa, but that’s not exactly small compared to the rest of the world. Are you arguing that countries like Monaco shouldn’t exist?
Plus there is a lot of aggression between the different tribes, they have been at war forever but luckily when guns got to the country it was with the whites keeping law and order.
Lol, what? That’s some Rhodesia level copium you’re smoking there…
First of all, in most cases the ethnic conflict is a direct result of European powers elevating certain ethnicities and utilizing them to keep their neighbors in line. Secondly you are ignoring all the systemic violence and outright genocide that Europeans used to keep “law and order”.
It’s not like anyone even today and can say what the borders should have been.
I’m sure some people who live in Africa will disagree with this sentiment…
Sure there are mistakes and there would be an issue with borders however they are divided. But at some point it’s what’s you got and how you got to deal with it.
And yet, this is only a problem in parts of the world that were colonized by Europe after the 18th century.
This is the result of countries colluding together to strip territories away from their inhabitants via land marks on a map. The same thing happened in the Middle East after the collapse of the ottoman empire. It’s not fucking rocket science my dude.
You want the world to be a certain way and pretend it is.
It just isn’t so. Many many places around the world have issues with borders. If africa knew what’s borders they should have they can go have them.
Wars have always existed in Africa.
Zimbabwe and South Africa are horrific failures. They aren’t the only ones. The progress made in those countries was great for a time, then regressed
What the ever loving fuck are you even saying here
Africas fucked and it’s not all the whites fault.
Yeah Czech Republic did immense damage to poor Africans. Finland too.
Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Ukraine, Serbia, Switzerland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Sweden, Norway, Iceland would like to chime in.
You both must be fun at parties. Of fucking course it is not every european nations but it is way shorter than to write Britain, France, Germany, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Italy…
I don’t go to parties where complete strangers ask me to pay them reparations for what other complete strangers that lived 500 years ago did to some other complete strangers that have no relationship to the strangers at the party.
That’s an awfully smug way to say “I don’t know about generational poverty”.
I did my part!! No desert was the alternative…
Most of Africa’s nations are younger than 30 years. Several African countries still pay taxes to France. Nearly every African country doesn’t have sovereign control over their natural resources. So Ya, not to even mention the millions of people stolen from their countries. Africa is poor purely because of outside influences
The other side of that debate is that … the outside influence could work with Africa to make the continent self sufficient and capable on its own. Several studies and research has shown that if properly set up and organized, the African continent has more than enough resources to produce its own food supply, clean water supply and energy production.
Unfortunately, instead of the outside world helping Africa to get to this point … the world instead uses Africa as just another place to exploit and make money out of. In the short sighted vision of the first world … it’s more lucrative to make a bunch of money now by taking advantage of poor dying people than it is to help them become productive members of the global economy.
It’s a prime example of how as a civilization we build and maintain our world on exploitation, coercion and death
Africa is poor purely because of outside influences
This is simplistic and naive to the point it feels like propaganda.
Your view is going to be unpopular with people here. Most on Lemmy would rather blame the outsiders for problems in Africa. However, I don’t see anyone mentioning China investing hundreds of millions into infrastructure of African countries and attempting to lift many African countries our of poverty only for these countries to remain where they were. At some point it becomes hard to continue blaming hundreds or dozens of years old events for the current situation when the current people contribute to the presently poor state of things.
You are literally voicing the white nationalist “honorary whites” and the “model minorities” that pits Asian cultures and communities against African cultures and communities. To simplify the African continents experience with colonial exploration to Asias is laughable at best and out right racist at worst.
You must be imagining something because I’m simply stating a fact of a event that has been occuring and observed. If you’re projecting some racial issues onto that - that seems like a problem you’ve gotta deal with yourself.
I don’t know what you’re on because I’ve not mentioned whites or Asians at all. It seems you’ve got some repressed anger you’re projecting at my statement of fact.
“We did nothing but exploit them and let them be exploited by our companies. Why can’t they help themselves???”
