• Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I think there is a distinction to be made between being a monopoly and doing anti-competitive behavior.

      Steam hasn’t done any anti-competitive behavior that I am aware of, but they do have enough market power to be considered a monopoly. Consider how companies like EA and Activision tried to maintain competing platforms but caved because those platforms were not viable compared to Steam. That’s monopoly power.

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        Failing to make a product that doesn’t suck shit does not make a monopoly for your competitor.

        In fact, Steam is de facto not a monopoly because of the very existence of GOG. EA and Activision tried to break in to this arena but failed to provide a product that actually switched people off of steam, because they failed to provide a comparable experience to steam. GOG did, and they’re doing fine.

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          By this logic Google isn’t a search monopoly because DuckDuckGo exists, despite Google buying default placement in Safari, Firefox, Chrome, etc to make sure no other search provider can compete, with their bribe to Apple alone totaling $20 billion a year to maintain their search dominance. What do you think monopoly power is if not that?

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            Can you describe where Steam has done anything even approaching that, ever?

            EA and Activision stores didn’t fail because Steam bought them out and bullied them out of the market, they failed because they were trash products. Steam doesn’t buy “default placement” in anything. They just have a good product that people want to use over alternatives.

            Point out a situation in which Steam has acted anti-competitive and I might agree that you have a point, but I can’t think of any situations to call out here.

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              Um, there is more than one type of anticompetitive practice? Amazon uses predatory pricing to drive companies out of business, Microsoft uses tying to sell Teams, Google uses self-preferencing for their own services in search results, Facebook acquired Instagram rather than compete with them, etc.

              One of Valve’s favorite anticompetitive cudgels is requiring “most favored nation” clauses in their contracts, prohibiting devs from selling for less on other storefronts (which Amazon also has used).

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                Um, there is more than one type of anticompetitive practice? Amazon uses predatory pricing to drive companies out of business, Microsoft uses tying to sell Teams, Google uses self-preferencing for their own services in search results, Facebook acquired Instagram rather than compete with them, etc.

                None of which are related to Steam nor has Steam done anything resembling any of these examples to my knowledge.

                One of Valve’s favorite anticompetitive cudgels is requiring “most favored nation” clauses in their contracts, prohibiting devs from selling for less on other storefronts (which Amazon also has used).

                Valve prohibits people from selling steam keys for less on other storefronts which I think is perfectly reasonable. You can list your game on Steam for $20 and distribute it on Itch for $5 or even free and Steam has zero problem with this, so long as you aren’t distributing steam keys via that storefront. This is to try and prevent a developer from leveraging Steam for advertisement purposes but making all their actual sales off-platform.

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        theres basically one anti conpetitive measure they hold primarily, and its the one that states the listing price of a game must be the same on all platforms policy. stops devs from having a lower listing price on other platforms.

        other than that its usually other platforms shooting their selves.

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          This “most favored nation” clause in contracts is huge! It means that even if another store takes half of Steam’s cut (say, 15% vs 30%), the game can’t be sold for less, meaning other rival stores can never compete on price. In other words, Steam drives up prices for games economy-wide. Amazon does something similar, and this was part of the basis the FTC’s antitrust lawsuit against them.

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            Steam doesn’t prevent anyone from selling their game at whatever price they want. They only prevent them from selling it through THEIR distribution platform at a lower price than it can be purchased directly from Steam. IE they cannot sell steam keys for less than the steam list price. If they want to distribute themselves they can.

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    Then maybe provide a better alternative? Competition is good for the market but in this case the competition is absolute dogshit. It’s not Steam’s fault.

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    It’s amazing how many people don’t actually understand what a monopoly is. Every time the topic comes up you see people say things like “well there’s more than one store therefore it’s not a monopoly.” That’s never been the actual use of the word in practice. If that were true it would be so stupidly easy to circumvent monopoly laws and regulations. I mean more than it already is of course.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/monopoly

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    I’m just waiting for the day Steam makes Proton proprietary after outcompeting all the indie open source Linux gaming solutions. And watch as gamers promptly not give a shit and be as uncritically worshipping of this giant profit oriented corporation as they are now. The speed at which people abandoned and outright started hating on other Linux gaming compatibility layers developed by individual people for “sucking” is insane. This is so on the nose Embrace Extend Extinguish but god forbid you call that out and spoil the vibe for people.

    “Every other corporation of this size has proven to be my worst enemy but Steam is definitely my friend and has zero ulterior motives. In fact fuck you for daring to speak ill of them.”

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      I’m not sure that’s how that shakes out, you can’t exactly extinguish open source projects, they may go dormant but they are still there, and there would be the last open source proton build to start from too.

      It would also annoy the very people who are most likely to make their own compatibility tools and inconvenience themselves to spite bad business practice. Maybe in some future world where everyone is on Linux/proton, the people who just blindly use windows today because they always have would just keep using the now proprietary proton, but that’s far from the way it is today.

      Honestly I just use what is easiest to get working, used to do every game manually, then used Lutris, now I use Steam, probably will use something else that’s easier in the future, especially if/when my library disappears. Til then I’ll support the company that made it much easier to leave Microsoft behind. Nice bonus: valve is one of the least bad large companies in the US at time of writing, so it feels less awful to give them money.

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    In general, I’m not a fan of steam. I know i know, I’m saying this in THE steam community.

    Steam is DRM, its terrible drm that can be bypassed with an easily downloaded crack tool, but drm nonetheless.

    If a game I want is on GOG I will gladly get it there over buying it on steam.