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    Everyone in the MAGA sphere then went on to lie about the left as violent because of this.

    in the article u link he s criticized for that. And the left being violent isnt a first and like i said before the shooter is antifa affiliated and while we didnt have the shooter we had the bullet casing before with antifa slogan.

    Going so far as to delete the DOJ study proving the right is responsible for 70% of mass shootings.

    heard about that story but from i understand it was data that was missrepresented same as the adl one who post all anti goovernement action as far right. but that s not the subject here.

    Show me this law. It does not exist. Fox News can lie to you. It’s technically entertainment and not news. Their lawyers argued this in court and won.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/73.1217

    about the next point u have your answer in this part “within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States. You must “know” that what you are saying is a lie to make you guilty of this crime.”

    Patel didn’t know the person first arrested for the shooting was obviously not the culprit. But he lied and said he was. Saying this with certainty when the facts are unknown is a lie. Seeing as Patel is part of the Judicial branch, this is also illegal.

    ??? did u misstype ? anyway im not sure he was lying since he retract his statement in 2 hour. like see he retract false statement. The same i said kiemel should be abble to do

    It is incredibly disheartening to hear you believe that Kimmel is guilty of some crime here instead of the FBI being lead by an incompetent

    im all for a wolrd where incompetence is a crime.

    eagerly lying about a suspect in custody to fit a narrative before any information about them is confirmed. The damage caused by this is unquestionably larger than anything Kimmel has done

    they retracted false informations. in the end the killer is still a leftist. Also not abide by the same law. but i agree bad information comming from the head of the fbi is bad and i condomne thoses

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      I’m sorry, but you’re hopeless.

      The shooter being a “leftist” is obviously all you care about. Not the truth. Not what’s legal. It doesn’t matter at all to you that the FBI literally lied about the shooter being a leftist before they even caught the real guy.

      Do you not understand how that means they are willing to lie to you about anyone being a leftist before there’s evidence?

      Do you not understand that anything Trumps team calls left you’ll just hate without thinking about it? Do you not understand how you’ve literally already proven this is the case with Kirks shooter? It’s also painfully obvious why you can’t bother to admit how much Trump lies.

      Because then you might understand how many innocent people have already been punished simply because Trump lied about them being leftist / illegal / bad to you just to get votes.

      Literally thousands of examples of this exist by the way.

      It would be great if you could actually care about this, instead of the snowflake reaction you’re having about Kimmel.

      But it does explain why this country has gone to shit. Because you let TV tell you who the bad guys are, and didnt bother to make sure TV wasn’t lying to you about it. So now Americans are the bad guys, and you’re okay with that because they’re “leftists”.

      Trump can now say whatever he wants and you will believe it as true without ever checking. Hell, you’ll even defend his lies now. Just as you have with the removal of the DOJ report on violent right wing extremism.

      Here’s two more Independant studies all proving the data in the deleted report was true: (Which in turn proves you defended the lie about the data being poor before checking to see if was true.)

      https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/comparison-political-violence-left-wing-right-wing-and-islamist-extremists-united

      we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in violence emerge on the global level, with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists to engage in more violent acts.

      https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024

      Extremist-related killings in recent years have primarily been committed by far-right extremists. Mass shootings caused a substantial portion of those deaths. The white supremacist mass shooter who attacked Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso in 2019, killing 23 people, was responsible by himself for almost half of the 51 extremist-related deaths that year. The lower numbers since then can substantially be attributed to fewer far-right mass killing events (with numerous planned incidents prevented by law enforcement) and fewer deaths at some that did occur. One must travel back to the year 2000, which saw nine killings committed by far-right extremists, to find a lower number of deaths from right-wing extremists than the 13 in 2024.

      The above is true, do you agree? Yes or no answer is all you need. Prove you care about the truth more than Trump by admitting what he won’t.

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        Dude accuse the shooter of being maga

        Shooter is leftist

        Said that your oposant interest depend on the shooter affiliation to disprove a lie on that subject. You are really smart

        Tell me is the shooter was maga yes or no ?

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          21 hours ago

          No. Never accused him of being MAGA either. Literally read this conversation again to see.

          You just want this chat to be about the political affiliation of the Kirk shooter because its the only narrative you’ve been fed that you know how to defend.

          Your turn:

          Does Trump lie to your face? Yes or no.

          By all means, keep on proving to be a coward that can’t admit Trump lies to you. Going on what, like three requests of mine by now? You must really like being lied to as long as by it’s someone you think is better than you. Turns out, he lied to you about that too.

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            We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,

            never accused him of being maga

            Ok that s gonna be it. I can t discussed with unintelligent person

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              15 hours ago

              My dude. That is not me you are quoting at all. Try again. But with my name talking about the shooter being MAGA. Good luck.

              Trump lies to your face, yes or no? 4th time I’ve asked.

              Call me unintelligent all you want, at least I have balls big enough to answer you. Go ahead and prove me right for a 4th time by being a baby about not answering.

              I mean this: literal children can answer my question, why can’t you?

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                I’m not talking about you I’m talking about the dude who got suspended by saying he was maga and who is the subject of the conversation. Are you real Here ? Tell me. Does kimel lied yes or no ? For any no you invent applied it to trump and u have my answer same for every yes eve’ if it s just you derailing the conversation to not accept the fact that kimel lied and got rightfully punished for it

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                  7 hours ago

                  Did Kimmel lie? No. Absolutely not.

                  The comment was about MAGA influencers like Trump himself saying the following:

                  https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/maga-reacts-to-the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk

                  “My Administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after—”

                  Simply put:

                  Trump is MAGA gang. This comment of his characterizes the shooter as anything other than MAGA. And he’s doing it to score political points. (Instead of mending a clearly devided nation).

                  Here’s what Kimmel said:

                  We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang trying to characterize this kid who killed Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it”

                  Show me the lie.

                  I’m certain I’ll be asking you that till I’m blue in the face too.

                  I already pointed out the law. So nothing Kimmel did was illegal, therefore he deserved no punishment.

                  We’re literally back to talking about someing I’ve already proven was false. Kimmel doing something illegal is false, and comes from the lies you can’t admit Trump makes to your face.

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                    Never said it was illegal cause it depend on a judgement that will never happen cause the network doesn’t even want to take that chance. But what I said and what is true is it could be under the hoax legislation.

                    Kimmel saying he was maga was a lie. Your word soup about that won’t change the fact he lied.